Talk:Guadeloupe/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Untitled

This extreme merging, conducted by Jguk does not make sense, and the article is becoming unreadable. I agree that it is a positive move to add text under the headers, but now, except for the history section, it is just too much. Let's partly de-merge. olivier 11:38, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

Economy & notes - CONTRADICTION!

There's a contradiction:

Economy: "Tourism is a key industry, with most tourists visiting from the United States."

Notes: "Most tourists DO NOT come from the US but from France and the rest of Europe."

Could someone with proper knowledge fix this?

This should be better. The numbers are from 1998; has anyone got more recent ones?

Proposed WikiProject

There is now a proposed WikiProject for the Caribbean area, including Guadeloupe, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Caribbean. Interested parties should add their names there so we can determine if there is enough interest to start such a project in earnest. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Demography question

How is a positive population growth rate possible with 1.9 children born per women, and negative immigration ratio? --V. Szabolcs 19:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Football

A note was made that the football team had advanced to the CONCACAF Semifinals, but that has not happened yet. The match is still ongoing. Please don't make edits of this sort until the matches are final. MichaelBlankley 23:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

capital of guadeloupe

the capital of GUADELOUPE is PARIS (FRANCE). Basse-terre is the mayor city91.80.198.213 (talk) 21:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC).

capital of guadeloupe

the Capital of GUADELOUPE is PARIS (FRANCE). Basse-terre is the mayor city91.80.198.213 (talk) 21:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC).

As Guadeloupe is part of France, yes, Paris is the national capital, but Basse-Terre is Guadeloupe's regional capital, which is what the article is referring to. Kiwipete (talk) 02:26, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

capital has no sense in these terms. The real word is prefecture (of region or of departement). France is not a Federation so Guadeloupe is not a state and has only one capital which is Paris.

The use of capital is an american ethnocentrism. It has any reality in France. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.172.141.127 (talk) 18:32, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Religion

There must be a mistake with the religion section. The percentages add up to more than 100, and it doesn't even include "no religion". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.146.25.210 (talk) 17:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

Is it possible that 'Jehovah's Witness' may fall under the category of 'Protestant' making the percentages add up to exactly 100. (Although not accounting for people with no religion) (Bennyj600 (talk) 03:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC))

At further looking into religion, the French article quotes differing numbers than the English version, with Roman Catholic at 94%, Hindu/African at 3%, Jehovah's witness at 2% and Protestant at 1%. If anyone knows the actual numbers, please post them. (Bennyj600 (talk) 03:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC))

Why are Hinduism and African Mythology lumped together in this section. They have utterly no relation with each other at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.176.178.157 (talk) 16:24, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Great Article didnt know history of this Island.Does one need passport to visit Guadeloupe?

A great article have been trying to locate as much data on French Colonies during French Revolution. There position RE: French Revolution. this for a book. Does one need a passport to visit Guadeloupe,a Visa too? Merci' Thank You!(Dated by Dr. Edson Andre' Johnson D.D.ULC< A.M. Morn .Sept.12,2009,21stCent."X")ANDREMOI (talk) 15:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes. It is part of France, although visa requirements can be different than on the european area. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:29, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Guadeloupe creole photo for consideration

Hi,

I am not terribly knowledgable about the subject itself, but during a trip to Guadeloupe I took this photo of a road sign, and after having discussed its contents with users more familiar with the subject (see references in the file page), it appears to be a quite instructive example of what Guadelopue creole is. I thought I should bring this to the attention of the editors of this page for possible consideration of inclusion. I feel uneasy doing it myself, as I am biased, not a native English speaker, and not knowledgeable about the language in general. --Slaunger (talk) 09:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

ISO and Calling Codes

I tried adding, but couldn't make stick. Not my region anyway. |calling_code = 590 |ISO_3166-1_alpha2 = GD |ISO_3166-1_alpha3 = GLP |ISO_3166-1_numeric = 312 Catrachos (talk) 14:01, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Archipelago????

Guadeloupe is not considered officially as an archipelago in France. It is officially :

1)An administrative territory (status): Guadeloupe Overseas department. (971) including Guadeloupe island and dependences (les Saintes, Marie-Galante, la Désirade)
2)An island in Lesser Antilles in two regions due to an "ithsmus": Basse-Terre and Grande-terre. Les Saintes, Marie-Galante and la Désirade are geographically independent entity.

So it is not appropriate to put archipelago but Territory. --Moowgly (talk) 14:50, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

The archipelago containing the island of Guadeloupe is also called Guadeloupe. Currently the lead calls it an archipelago, which immediately informs the reader it is made up of islands. In the next sentence its political status is given. Changing archipelago to territory removes any mention of islands till the end of the paragraph, and makes splitting the first and second sentences pointless. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:45, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

"Archipelago" is a term use for geographical items, not for administrative items. Ex: Les Saintes or Antilles are archipelagoes geographically but politically not. we have to separate Guadeloupe department and Guadeloupe island like the french wikipedia did. The administrative entity have the same name that the island. --212.234.218.50 (talk) 17:41, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

There's no reason an administrative territory can't be coterminous with a political territory. The archipelago, island, and region/department share the same name. The Philippine archipelago redirects to the Philippines. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Chipmunkdavis, Moowgly. I have reverted your latest edits, except for the abolition of slavery date. Please refrain from these distracting changes. Also, please take care with the capitalisation of proper nouns and adjectives. Kiwipete (talk) 23:30, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Citations need to be improved

I tagged this for 'inconsistent citations' because several sections are completely unreferenced.Liam987 (talk) 13:50, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Sports

Why is there nothing about cycling on guadeloupe? Cycling is the biggest sport in Guadeloupe and they also have international track stars on cycling. Their national Tour of Guadeloupe is also one of the biggest events of the year on the island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.204.226.168 (talk) 12:21, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

And if you need a source for how big it really is in Guadeloupe. Check this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWJ4_6TE0Ms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.204.226.168 (talk) 10:33, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board

I would like to announce the establishment of the Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board. Anyone with an interest in the Caribbean is welcome to join in. Guettarda 1 July 2005 13:37 (UTC)

Under "Sports" thhe Pogab brothers are listed as being of Guadelopean decent. Elswhere I've found them described as Guinean, Please confirm38.121.161.135 (talk) 19:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

One island or two or more?

Which is it, the article seems to contradict itself. W. P. Uzer (talk) 12:27, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes I just realized this as well. Sorry, I couldn't get round to replying. So far it looks good clearing that up. Thanks Savvyjack23 (talk) 21:59, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Death in Paradise

Why no mention of this very popular TV series being filmed on Guadeloupe?

Especially when in the Death in Paradise article/entry it's stated that Guadeloupe is where the series is filmed.

Just curious. 2600:8800:785:1300:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 05:15, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

It might be considered WP:TRIVIA --Cornellier (talk) 17:22, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Structure of Guadeloupe articles

Geography of Guadeloupe, History of Guadeloupe, and Politics of Guadeloupe all seem to have less content on them than their corresponding sections in Guadeloupe. Since they're all rather out-of-date and poorly referenced, it might make sense to amalgamate what decent content there is onto the main page.

Also, the whole group of Guadeloupe-related articles has a lot of WP:STUBS. It looks like someone systematically created an article for every single arrondissement, canton, and commune, whether content existed to populate it or not. Every one of the canton articles is a stub, as are more than half of the commune articles. That's 35 links to nowhere. Per WP:NOTDIR these unencylopedic stubs should rolled into their parent articles.

A further problem with the arrondissement > canton > commune structure is that it implies a hierarchy that does not exist. The role of the canton is, essentially, to provide a framework for departmental elections. Also communes are not necessarily contained within a canton; they can overlap two, or even contain multiple. --Cornellier (talk) 00:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

No replies so I'll go ahead as above. --Cornellier (talk) 19:25, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

yes, a lot of these Caribbean articles are quite poor I've found, consisting of out-of-date or unreferenced information. I've had a go at improving this one today, adding information and references to the various sections and trying to tie in the images used with the content.Sdrawkcab (talk) 20:53, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

History

Guadeloupe has never been Swedish, but it has belonged to two of the Swedish kings:

3 mars 1813 avträddes Guadeloupe till kungen av Sverige, Karl XIII, och hans arvtagare Karl XIV Johan som ersättning för egendomsförluster som kunde drabba kronprinsen till följd av alliansen mot Napoleon I. Svenska Guadeloupe fortsatte i praktiken att administreras av Storbritannien genom de brittiska guvernörerna, först sir Alexander Cochrane och sedan av John Skinner.[3][4]

Vid freden i Paris 1814 fick Frankrike tillbaka Guadeloupe (30 maj 1814) och det svenska kungahuset kompenserades då med 24 miljoner franc. Den ersättningen bildade den statliga Guadeloupefonden.[2][3] Den franska överhögheten över ön bekräftades i traktaten i Wien år 1815. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8108:483F:CDB0:4CFE:C1B6:C085:792B (talk) 05:26, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Flag?

What's wrong with putting up the unofficial flag if it's explicitly labeled "unofficial flag? Inkan1969 02:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

The article just says 'Flag' and officially the French Flag is the official Flag of Guageloupe. (99.249.228.146 (talk) 21:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC))

Putting up a regional flag also pushes a seperatist party. Wikipedia, should remain neutral on political issue. For this reason, while Guadeloupe remains a French colony, the French flag should remain as the flag. This being said, it would be fine to showcase their regional flag elsewhere in the article. (Bennyj600 (talk) 02:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC))

The official flag should indeed be used in the infobox. — 37 ^(talk) 10:44, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I put the flag of france, and the logo of the department, back in the infobox Scu ba (talk) 03:23, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

And I'm removing it, as it's the flag that represents the country Guadeloupe is part of. It doesn't represent Guadeloupe itself. One doesn't see that flag raised on a pole and think "Oh, that's the flag of Guadeloupe." It's like saying the U.S. flag is the flag of Alabama or the Canadian flag is the flag of Ontario. The fact that French departments don't have flags of their own doesn't change the meaning of the French flag.

Put it this way: If there were a sporting event in which departmental teams from all over France competed, and all of them displayed the flag of France as "their" flag, we wouldn't exactly be able to tell which department each flag of France was meant to represent. Largoplazo (talk) 11:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Images

Shouldn't some images go on the left? MB298 (talk) 21:54, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

And what's with the images without captions? NickCT (talk) 19:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

I removed them. There were too many images. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Does the image of the woodpecker belong under Fauna, not Flora? 124.83.75.170 (talk) 16:45, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but there isn't exactly any room next to Fauna, given that the one photo that's already there is higher than the entire section. Largoplazo (talk) 16:48, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Needing a citation for the origins of the Tamil population

I'm curious. If people need a citation that the French brought Tamils from Pondicherry, then where ELSE would the French have drawn their labourers from, if not their own enclaves of South India...? They certainly didn't arrive from Mars Theudariks 2.0 (talk) 18:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

There isn't even a source to verify that they brought in indentured servants at all—there may be no reason to doubt it, but it isn't exactly a self-evident truth. Further, there is no rule that indentured servants must be Tamil, or from Pondicherry. There is no rule that they have to have come from a territory that France controlled; even if there were such a rule, Pondicherry was far from the only French possession. But indentured servants can be from anywhere, of any ethnicity and religion. A white, French, Christian plantation owner could have white, French, Christian indentured servants. So nothing in the sentence is an axiom. Somebody requested a source, and there's nothing unusual about that. There's no less reason to have a citation for this than there is to have any citation anywhere on Wikipedia. Largoplazo (talk) 20:37, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

This isn't about GENERAL indentured servitude. This is about the Indian indenture system, which was incredibly specific in ruling out anyone who's not Indian. The people of Indo-Guadeloupean descent are part of the larger Pondichérien diaspora

Pondicherry is mentioned here: [1], here: [2], here: [3], and here: [4] amongst others. They were definitely Indian. I'd recommend two books which delve into the Indian indenture system (my history), as well as the Indian diaspora in general. The Encyclopedia of the Indian Diaspora by Brij V Lal. Although we can't cite a full work here, a search on Google Books shows that Guadeloupe is mentioned, for example here: [5]. The second is a book called Global Indian Diaspora by Jagat K. Motwani, Mahin Gosine, Jyoti Barot-Motwani. Guadeloupe is mentioned here, too: [6]

The Indian indenture system was put into place at the end of slavery (citation needed?), and has brought the ancestors of millions of Indian descent to places all over the world, and was a system in and of itself and has no bearing on general servitude Theudariks 2.0 (talk) 04:39, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

I have added the The Hindu article as a source, as it seems reliable. CMD (talk) 06:07, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

You're under the impression that all of these details are obvious and universally known, so thoroughly so that it was wrong to request a citation? Largoplazo (talk) 11:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm under the impression that people who add to Wikipedia should understand the subject they're weighing in on. Especially as further down that very page CLEARLY states that there are Indians in Guadeloupe, and links to a page about Indians in Guadeloupe. And that the Indian indentured system didn't include white Europeans or others who weren't the subject of debate. It's like going to a page about football and asking for a citation on a game you've never watched because you're a rugby fan and know nothing about football Theudariks 2.0 (talk) 15:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia caters for all readers, be they football watchers or rugby fans, and provides citations so that these readers can see where information about each sport comes from. CMD (talk) 16:17, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

See WP:V. "Reader, trust the writer" isn't the approach here. Also, readers don't read articles in reverse order, and often don't read the entirety of an article, especially long ones, nor are they expected to. Largoplazo (talk) 16:30, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps not. But readers don't GENERALLY make incorrect statements without first having read up on the country they're commenting on! It's perfectly ok to not read a full article. But it's wrong to say that no evidence of X or Y exist if you've not actually read through the article and seen that they are in fact referenced further down Theudariks 2.0 (talk) 21:33, 17 January 2023 (UTC)