Talk:Beate Sirota Gordon

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A note about the date of death[edit]

I originally removed the unsourced date of death from the article, because I could not verify it through a Google News search. It later came back in, and I have not removed it (although I did mark it as needing a citation), because I believe I know the real-life identity of the IP editor who has been working on the article, and I know that person to be a friend of the subject. I believe this to be a case where the newspapers (specifically the Times) have not yet learned of the death, but will within a few days. I ask that other editors join me in assuming good faith for a short while until a citation becomes available and can be added to the article. I have no reason to suspect that there is any deliberate misinformation. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well I have so far, having removed the living person category myself. IP Edits seem good faith, and at age 89 quite likely. Note that I was raising the issue here with WWGB (talk · contribs) at the same time you were posting here and have left WWGB a link to this discussion. - 220 of Borg 08:20, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A ref has now been provided. Beyond My Ken (talk) 10:28, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent. Here's another "Beate Gordon, a drafter of Japan's Constitution, dies at 89". The Mainichi - 220 of Borg 11:37, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
But off course it was already on the page. - 220 of Borg 11:48, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please change the page title to "Beate Sirota Gordon" for consistency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Araiguma1 (talk • contribs) 02:45, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Page name[edit]

Is there any object to moving the page to Beate Gordon or Beate Sirota Gordon (with redirects, of course)? Sources all use her married name (Gordon). So far, the New York Times and The Japan Times use Beate Gordon, while Forward and The Japan Daily Press use Beate Sirota Gordon. I'd be inclined to go with the former. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:38, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Per WP:COMMONNAME, I've gone ahead and done that. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Ed! (talk · contribs) 15:31, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • The lead should summarize the article more comprehensively, and include more information from the Performing Arts, Honors, and Selected Works sections.
  • Ref 10 is a dead link.
  • "In a statistical overview derived from writings by and about Gordon," -- This section shouldn't cover writings about her, I think. It should cover her own works. Anything dealing with biographies about her by other people could be either good references or could be formed into the section about her legacy.
  • Also along this note, this should include a discussion about what kinds of works she did, her writing style, etc.
  • Citations needed:
    • "All of the people are equal under the law and there shall be no discrimination in political, economic or social relations because of race, creed, sex, social status or family origin"
    • "Marriage shall be based only on the mutual consent of both sexes ..."
    • Sirota, as interpreter on MacArthur’s staff, was the only woman present during the negotiations between the Japanese Steering Committee and the American team.
    • The rest of this paragraph: "Beate Sirota married Lieutenant Joseph Gordon,..."
    • This entire paragraph: "Gordon was also a consultant and adviser to producers such as Harold Prince for his production of the Stephen Sondheim musical, Pacific Overtures...."
    • This paragraph: "In 1970, Gordon was named full-time Director of the Performing Arts Program of the Asia Society in New York and, in 1987,..."
    • All of the list of acts she brought to America from Japan.
    • This entire paragraph: "For the media, Gordon produced and hosted a series of 12 half-hour programs on the Japanese arts broadcast on New York's Channel 13 and..."
    • This paragraph: "In addition to the artists that she introduced to American audiences, some of the many other artists with whom she worked over her long career..." You would need a citation for each actor directly stating her influence on them.
    • This paragraph: " 1985 Gordon was invited to be the guest speaker at the MacArthur Memorial dinner..."
    • This paragraph: "For her work as an arts presenter, and for associated activities such as production of video tapes, records, and scholarly monographs on various Asian art forms,..."
    • This paragraph: "The Japanese television network, Asahi Broadcasting Corporation (ABC), produced a 90-minute documentary on Gordon’s life..."
    • This paragraph: "The film The Sirota Family and the 20th Century, produced by Tomoko Fujiwara, ..."
The article is suffering from a number of sourcing deficiencies. Generally, Wikipedia policies are that any material likely to be challenged, or which may be unfamiliar to the layman, should be cited. See WP:CITE for more information. Most of the article needs citations from high quality, reliable sources. As such, the article requires too extensive of an overhaul to sourcing for it to easily become a GA. Once these issues have been improved, the article can be nominated again. Thanks very much! —Ed!(talk) 15:59, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the detailed review. In general, having read the sources when I was editing the article, I can say that I believe all of the sections you specified are verified by those sources, and it felt like littering the article with many refs to the same sources was unnecessary, since her accomplishments were unlikely to be disputed. I will, however, do so.
Expanding on the individual actors she influenced and how might be difficult, as there is unlikely to be such information available. Similarly, her list of production credits is likely to be just that, sourced from IMDb (and confirmed by other sources) – the detail of her work with each one would fill volumes, likely be incredibly boring, and give far too much weight to the repetitive mundane details that form the work of a entertainment producer. After reading the article, I felt I had a good idea of what she did and why, which is why I nom'd it (my first nom in thousands of articles I've read and contributed to). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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"Sirota" looks very much like a an oldfashioned transliteration of Shirota[edit]

"Sirota" looks very much like a an oldfashioned transliteration of Shirota. Is that really her Family's name (it doesn't sound at all like a an east-european jewish name) or was that changed before her birth? --114.156.202.206 (talk) 12:12, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's the name she went by. BMK (talk) 02:27, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
and a Russian noun, meaning "orphan"
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sirota 2A01:E0A:209:DC30:77E8:9B53:146F:20D1 (talk) 13:51, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
also
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0 2A01:E0A:209:DC30:77E8:9B53:146F:20D1 (talk) 13:56, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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