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Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.
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Information on the process[edit]
What may be nominated for deletion here:
- Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText: and the various Talk: namespaces
- Userboxes (regardless of namespace)
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- Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.
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Please familiarize yourself with the following policies[edit]
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Archived discussions[edit]
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Current discussions[edit]
- Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.
June 7, 2024[edit]
Draft:Fatih Emrah Uçan[edit]
Content appears to be a hoax as official sources link the Kordhell alias to Mick Kenney instead. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 16:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete it is poorly written. Catfurball (talk) 18:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Toy Story & UglyDolls[edit]
This film does not exist. Not sure why this page was created in draft space. Page is a direct copy from UglyDolls with just the name changed Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Do not fork content, unless for a good reason. SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Bduke (talk) 06:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and possibly WP:G3 eligible? Skynxnex (talk) 13:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I see no harm in deleting the draft before the WP:G13 deadline; seems to be the work of a WP:SPA last active over a month ago who will likely not return within six months, especially since almost all their edits elsewhere have been reverted. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
June 6, 2024[edit]
User:Freavene[edit]
I think this is quite possibly attack-esque, although I don't feel it's bad enough for csd. Gaismagorm (talk) 21:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- ok the attack text was removed, so honestly withdrawn Gaismagorm (talk) 23:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:9t5 User Page Contest[edit]
Because of WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK, and because the page does not meet any of the criteria listed as appropriate under Wikipedia:Project namespace#Pages within project namespace. Possibly also because of WP:NOTHERE, as it seems to provide monetary incentives for users to do something else using Wikipedia's platform other than improve the encyclopedia. Maybe a request at some central forum to create something like this and demonstrate community support for it might overcome some of these objections, but I don't know that this is supportable coming from an individual initiative. If this were commonly replicated by other users, or even if this one initiative attracted wide participation it seems like it could hurt the goal of the encyclopedia. Mathglot (talk) 15:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Wikipedia is not a platform for random user-page-design contests. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Wikipedia already has a history of holding contests. My point was to encourage friendly competition, and give back to Wikipedia in the process. Just because web design isn’t the purpose of Wikipedia doesn’t mean that Wikipedians are barred from enjoying competitions that celebrate their skills. And again, like I said, it’s been something that has been done plenty in the past.
- 9t5 (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Can you point to some examples of successful contests that weren't directly related to editing (and hopefully improving) article content? AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would also note that "done plenty in the past" (i.e., WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS) is not a defense against deletion. This is a volunteer project, and there are plenty of things out there that are contrary to guidelines for any number of reasons. For example, if you create an article with no citations, the presence of these 136,000 unreferenced articles is not an argument that will protect your unreferenced article from deletion, if it should be nominated. So, rather than rely on previous contests, please find a policy or guideline that supports your position and negates the ones listed above that argue in favor of deletion. Mathglot (talk) 00:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mathglot So case law and precedent is good enough to run the United States legal system on but .. not Wikipedia. Okay. Noted. Seems a bit like you’re implying that at the end of the day it comes down to the preference of higher ranking editors and not principle at all.
- @AndyTheGrump A fair request. I will post my response to that later tonight!
- Best, 9t5 (talk) 00:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Please assume good faith. To answer your question, the preference of senior editors, administrators, or even the founder of Wikipedia has no special force on the outcome of deletion discussions. Nor, perhaps surprisingly, does having ten people on one side voting their preference, versus only two on the other stating an opposing view make any difference, because consensus is not a majority vote. The only thing that counts is the strength of your argument in interpreting the facts at hand in the light of Wikipedia policy and guidelines, and the consensus resulting from such discussion. (See also, WP:NOTDEMOCRACY.) So, yes, you are right in your statement that decisions at Wikipedia are not determined by precedent the way they are in U.S. case law, which is based on common law; instead, they are determined by written standards, which is closer to the civil law legal system used in France and much of Europe and the rest of the world. Mathglot (talk) 01:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mathglot I personally hold the belief that what I was trying to do was address the growing problem of the decline in new editors WP:LOSE2WIN.. by engaging the community in a way that would allow for perhaps some genuine relationships to grow/allow new editors to interact with their peers in a lighthearted way that isn’t so serious such as an AfD.. the issue is the inability to have any room for change on the platform by those up on the top. The rigid inability to grow with the times, has led to a rapid decline. Paired with the fact that deletionists overtook a platform that used to be MUCH more inclusive. Listen, you can wikilink almost anything anybody says to WP:.. whatever the hell you choose to shape your narrative.
- I was offering to donate $5 per contestant who participates simply to make it something that was something people could enjoy AND it would be doing some good for the Wikimedia Foundation. I must’ve been misguided though.. it’s not like they’re begging for donations or something crazy like that. Maybe I should redirect my energy towards finding things to delete simply because “well pointing to cases in the past where pages weren’t deleted under the same exact circumstance isn’t technically an argument against deletion because section 405 of the gotta kill all the fun section of the destroy Wikipedia from the inside out section states: if an editor smiles, it’s gotta be deleted” 9t5 (talk) 02:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Please assume good faith. To answer your question, the preference of senior editors, administrators, or even the founder of Wikipedia has no special force on the outcome of deletion discussions. Nor, perhaps surprisingly, does having ten people on one side voting their preference, versus only two on the other stating an opposing view make any difference, because consensus is not a majority vote. The only thing that counts is the strength of your argument in interpreting the facts at hand in the light of Wikipedia policy and guidelines, and the consensus resulting from such discussion. (See also, WP:NOTDEMOCRACY.) So, yes, you are right in your statement that decisions at Wikipedia are not determined by precedent the way they are in U.S. case law, which is based on common law; instead, they are determined by written standards, which is closer to the civil law legal system used in France and much of Europe and the rest of the world. Mathglot (talk) 01:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Delete in the absence of a detailed explanation as to what this contest is about and what its purpose is. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Robert McClenon The format is for editors to sign up, and then on August 2nd a theme gets announced (examples: Gothic Architecture, Greek Mythology, Marine Life). Then August 2nd-August 9th, editors who signed up are able to edit their user pages to have it creatively incorporate the theme. They can revert their user pages right back to what they were prior — submissions are of the specific revision of their final user page design. Those who submit a revision before the week closes will be considered valid entries. Then August 12th-August 19th (allowing a weekend for me to go through and make sure no guidelines were violated etc.) voting would be open to extended confirmed users (to prevent meatpuppetry). August 20th I was going to announce three winners with the most votes.
- I thought it would be fun to bring the community together. I am not very shocked, I guess that the attempt was met with a deletion nomination. 9t5 (talk) 14:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Wikipedia:Danny's contest was held as a means to increase the amount of featured articles on the website because the issue on Wikipedia back then in 2006 was getting quality of the writing to improve. Today, the issue on Wikipedia is retaining new editors. Danny’s contest sought to implement donation as a means of a larger contribution to a cause while encouraging positive change on Wikipedia.. I simply am confused why this contest is seen as aiming to do anything different. The changes are to user pages and would not affect the mainspace at all, but if the issue is that people want only writing contests to exist… I will happily change the contest to a creative writing one. However, this website consists of more than just article writers. There are template editors who have entirely different skill sets that I am sure would be really into a coding contest like this. I rest my case.
- 9t5 (talk) 14:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - The contributions to the Wikimedia Foundation may have little or no value to the English Wikipedia. The English Wikipedia is the labor of love of its volunteers. The WMF owns the servers, but that is about the extent of the support that the English Wikipedia receives. Some of our volunteers are deeply skeptical of the WMF. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Robert McClenon Interesting. I didn’t know this. 9t5 (talk) 14:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy Does not work as a projectspace page, but I don't see why it could not be a page in 9t5's userspace. The requirements there are much less strict. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Mathglot and AndyTheGrump.—Alalch E. 17:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Njoku Okechukwu Obiajunwa Hippolyte[edit]
- Draft:Njoku Okechukwu Obiajunwa Hippolyte (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:SNOWBALL and Blatant WEBHOST violation. This is an attempt to share their CV and photos - will never make it to mainspace. Photos are up for deletion on Commons as NOTWEBHOST Gbawden (talk) 13:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete should have never been created. Catfurball (talk) 18:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
June 5, 2024[edit]
Draft:Come Home to Me (album)[edit]
Hoax draft. William Graham talk 14:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for at least two reasons. First, entirely the work of blocked editors, a globally blocked IPv6 range and a sockpuppet. Second, appears to be a hoax because the article about the notable person who is the alleged recording artist makes no mention of an album, and is otherwise unverifiable. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Robert McClenon. Skynxnex (talk) 15:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:WWE Raw is War[edit]
Created by blocked IP user. Incorrect information and hoax logo. Any true information already exists in WWE Raw. William Graham talk 14:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Incorrect information includes at least one false reference to a living person, and that is more than enough reason to delete rather than redirect. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Ivan Ssewankambo[edit]
NOTWEBHOST - this is a blatant attempt to share their CV on WP Gbawden (talk) 07:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Wikipedia is not for resume posting is a policy. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. This is better off at Linkedin. --Lenticel (talk) 00:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- What's the criteria for deletion of unpublished pages because, despite my contribution to the page, I couldn't publish it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.227.130.131 (talk • contribs)
- Delete article is poorly written. Catfurball (talk) 18:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Popeye And Pink Panther's Party/Popeye And Pals (MeTV)[edit]
- Draft:Popeye And Pink Panther's Party/Popeye And Pals (MeTV) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
No evidence of any notability and fails WP:NOTDIR. Additionally, I call into question WP:NOTWEBHOST, since there's been no edits displaying any intent to add any sources to this draft for meeting main space requirements. All edits by the contributing author have thus far been to add each week's latest aired episode titles, a pattern going on 9+ months now. Zinnober9 (talk) 06:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - It's a draft, and drafts are not deleted for notability. This is not a case of web hosting because this is a good faith draft, although it will not be accepted in its current condition. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete there are no references and most likely there never will be since this draft was created in 2023. Catfurball (talk) 18:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Bugs Bunny And Friends (MeTV)[edit]
No evidence of any notability and fails WP:NOTDIR. Additionally, I call into question WP:NOTWEBHOST, since there's been no edits displaying any intent to add any sources to this draft for meeting main space requirements. All edits by the contributing author have thus far been to add each week's latest aired episode titles, a pattern going on 9+ months now. Zinnober9 (talk) 06:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - It's a draft, and drafts are not deleted for notability. This is not a case of web hosting because this is a good faith draft, although it will not be accepted in its current condition. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete there are no references and most likely there never will be since it was created in 2023. Catfurball (talk) 18:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:The Tom and Jerry Show (MeTV)[edit]
No evidence of any notability and fails WP:NOTDIR. Additionally, I call into question WP:NOTWEBHOST, since there's been no edits displaying any intent to add any sources to this draft for meeting main space requirements. All edits by the contributing author have thus far been to add each week's latest aired episode titles, a pattern going on 9+ months now. Zinnober9 (talk) 06:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - It's a draft, and drafts are not deleted for notability. This is not a case of web hosting because this is a good faith draft, although it will not be accepted in its current condition. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete there are no references and most likely there never will be since it was created in 2023. Catfurball (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Woody Woodpecker and Friends (MeTV)[edit]
- Draft:Woody Woodpecker and Friends (MeTV) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
No evidence of any notability and fails WP:NOTDIR. Additionally, I call into question WP:NOTWEBHOST, since there's been no edits displaying any intent to add any sources to this draft for meeting main space requirements. All edits by the contributing author have thus far been to add each week's latest aired episode titles, a pattern going on 9+ months now. Zinnober9 (talk) 06:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - It's a draft, and drafts are not deleted for notability. This is not a case of web hosting because this is a good faith draft, although it will not be accepted in its current condition. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete there are no references and most likely there never will be since it was created in 2023. Catfurball (talk) 18:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Buster Bubbles (Arcade)[edit]
WP:NOTABLE Rahio1234 05:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: WP:Drafts are not checked for notability or sanity. Curbon7 (talk) 06:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as per Curbon7. User:Rahio1234 - Are you reviewing drafts in New Page Patrol using the same criteria as are applied to new articles? Robert McClenon (talk) 14:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Do we need better instructions for reviewers so as to minimize the mistaken good faith nomination of drafts for lack of notability? Robert McClenon (talk) 14:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above. I'll add that I actually draftified this page rather than tag it under A7 to give it a chance. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Notability is not a reason to delete from draftspace. SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
June 3, 2024[edit]
User:Rawen Ab/Userboxes/Google Maps Local Guide[edit]
- User:Rawen Ab/Userboxes/Google Maps Local Guide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
This is not a userbox, and it is not serving any purpose in userspace. I will remove it from its listing at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Internet/Websites. Are there grounds for uncontroversial deletion? TNstingray (talk) 22:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, unfortunately CSD G1 doesn't apply here. It could be tagged as U5, but there is clearly disagreement upon admins. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 23:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, agree with the above. Bduke (talk) 05:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. What's the purpose of deleting it? The editor has been active this year and could decide to format it as a userbox as it seems to meet
Work in progress or material that you may come back to in future (usually on subpages)
and/orExperimentation (usually on subpages)
from WP:UPYES, for example. Skynxnex (talk) 17:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC) - Keep: I assume this is meant to be something along the lines of "This user is a Google Maps Local Guide" but was not completed for whatever reason. Concur with removing it off the listing as it is incomplete, but is otherwise a non-obtrusive work-in-progress. Curbon7 (talk) 06:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
User talk:Anonymy365[edit]
I don't want any topics on my talk page. So, I'm requesting my talk page to be deleted. The reason is because I want to be completely unrecognized and that includes my name not being mentioined. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365 (talk • contribs) 15:08, June 3, 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Sorry, we almost never delete user talk pages. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, and there must be a place where others can contact you. You can blank comments from it that you do not wish to be seen, though they will still be visible in the page history to the curious. You can also add notices to your talk page that discourage others from adding unnecessary comments. Or you can make a new account and no longer be associated with your current identity (see Wikipedia:Clean start). Or you can undergo courtesy vanishing, where your username will be changed to a generic one and your account will retire from editing. Good luck on whatever you choose. Air on White (talk) 19:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as above. Editor has a history of problematic edits including a brief block for disruptive editing, and the page history has a long list of admonishments and apparently unheeded advice, all of which was blanked by the user at some point or other. They've made further problematic edits today, so it appears that rather than wanting to disappear, they simply don't want to be held accountable for their activity. This, of course, is not compatible with how Wikipedia works. --Finngall talk 22:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - There are two possible explanations for this request, neither of them a valid reason. First, the user wants to vanish, but deleting the talk page is not how any of the approved forms of vanishing are done. Second, the user wants to be a user without a talk page. That seems the more likely explanation, but we do not know. Wikipedia does not and should not allow a user to have no talk page, because it is necessary for other users to be able to communicate with them. Either is a plausible explanation of what is being requested, but either request should be denied. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment User has now changed their username to Anonymy365248 and the their user talk page has moved accordingly. --Finngall talk 13:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy links: Anonymy365248 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) --Finngall talk 17:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy partial blank. I see no reason why some of the old warnings still need to be there. That being said, the June one should stay. Keep in mind that Wikipedia admin have access to deleted content. You can be blocked without further warning by not taking these messages seriously. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- 10:17, 6 June 2024 A09 talk contribs moved page User talk:Anonymy365 to User talk:Anonymy365248 without leaving a redirect (Automatically moved page while renaming the user "Anonymy365" to "Anonymy365248")
- SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Especially considering that this is their second username change in less than six months. --Finngall talk 16:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:DAC Studios[edit]
Many external links, unreliable sources. The image is fair-use but not tagged as so. This is my first MfD, so it's probably not accurate and the not correct thing to do. Myrealnamm's Alternate Account (talk) 15:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The external link are part of the sources, alot of information regarding the topic is stated in their social media. Image also used under fair use with credit given as the license protecting it stated. AzzakyAris (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Not unambiguous promotion (G11). It has problems, but we can fix them; if they can't within 6 months, it'll be deleted under G13 anyway. Air on White (talk) 19:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- 'Comment, - Maybe the nominator is unfamiliar with drafts and does not know that they are not deleted for sourcing or notability,, because they are meant to be improved. McClenon mobile (talk) 20:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Not G11, so this falls into the category of WP:Drafts are not checked for notability or sanity. Commons issues should be handled through the Commons processes. Curbon7 (talk) 06:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
June 2, 2024[edit]
Alternate history userpages by Heatyeet[edit]
- User:Heatyeet/Micronesian Civil War (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:Heatyeet/First Krakoan Federation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:Heatyeet/Hopara Valley Massacre (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:Heatyeet/Krakoa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:Heatyeet/Onkardo (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:Heatyeet/Krakoan Revolution (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Per WP:FAKEARTICLE, appears to be historical fiction or alternate history. It's probably not intended to be a hoax, but it might as well be one. This is for websites like Fandom. Air on White (talk) 05:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment added related articles. Air on White (talk) 05:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Hopefully they can save all this stuff before it's deleted. Zanahary (talk) 05:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment At first I nominated User:Heatyeet/Micronesian Civil War under U5, but it was denied because of the user's demonstrated contributions to Wikipedia. The policy basis to delete is still WP:NOTWEBHOST. Air on White (talk) 06:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment User:Heatyeet/Krakoan Revolution has no substantial content, but it's obviously intended as an alternate history article like the other nominated pages. Air on White (talk) 06:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: per WP:NOTWEBHOST. Not strictly U5 but still meets deletion criteria, as the user has only made 10 mainspace edits. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as web hosting. See also Wikipedia is not for alternate history. Yes, we have had articles like this before. Yes, we have an essay that clarifies that they are contrary to various Wikipedia guidelines. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: if not U5 & G3 (BH). thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 01:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. --Lenticel (talk) 02:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Old business[edit]
Everything below this point is old business; the 7-day review period that began 07:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC) ended today on 8 June 2024. Editors may continue to add comments until the discussion is closed but they should keep in mind that the discussion below this marker may be closed at any time without further notice. Discussions that have already been closed will be removed from the page automatically by Legobot and need no further action. |
May 29, 2024[edit]
Wikipedia:WikiProject SZA[edit]
Limited scope, lacks potential for growth and interest, new WikiProjects are currently being discouraged because of creations like this. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete we do not need a WikiProject for singers. Catfurball (talk) 22:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or merge with another WikiProject - only around 120-ish articles are currently covered by the WikiProject, probably too-narrow in scope. Xeroctic (talk) 14:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - Taking an incipient WikiProject to MFD after five days because it either is still launching or has failed to launch seems premature. Wait a little longer to see if there is signup. (My own guess is that there will not be signup, but that this nomination is premature.) Robert McClenon (talk) 06:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Do we need some procedure for the review of WikiProjects other than MFD? Do we need a guideline on what are likely to be workable topic areas for WikiProjects? Robert McClenon (talk) 06:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep The project has significantly improved the quality and coverage of articles to related to SZA and there's other popular singers who has wikiproject ( Dua Lipa, Michael Jackson, Olivia Rodrigo, etc).For instance, the project has contributed to the enhancement of key articles, such as her biography, discography and individual album pages. These improvements ensure that the information is reliable, well sourced and accessible to a audience. Sunrise In Brooklyn ✉ 18:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- It’s not really the project improving the articles, it’s you, as the only active member. You don’t need a WikiProject for that. The idea is to get a group together first then create the project. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 05:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would this be better off as a sub-project or task force within Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians? --Lenticel (talk) 00:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Lenticel: speaking as literally the only other person in this WikiProject, I would go as far as to say most WikiProjects about musicians, often being disorganized anyway, should just be task forces under a more encompassing genre or music WP where more people might actually see and attend to the relevant articles . PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 03:17, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: It's only a week old! Other singers have WikiProjects. Zanahary (talk) 01:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: We should let the project grow before deleting it... Give it maybe a week.. 𝘮𝘪𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘦𝘭'𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘺, 03:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as a subproject or task force under Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians. Deletion is a bit harsh IMO and I agree with PSA that it might be able to attract more editors there. --Lenticel (talk) 05:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. Agree with above, and tidy discussion. Bduke (talk) 05:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @SunriseInBrooklyn I find it very concerning that you almost word for word copied Wikipedia:WikiProject Lorde’s project layout, and even forgot to change instances of the word. 48JCL[citation needed][dubious – discuss] 20:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @48JCL, what a coincidence, I made that WikiProject also. Sunrise In Brooklyn ✉ 05:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Final stance: Week Keep. Let it grow for a bit 48JCL[citation needed][dubious – discuss] 20:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep It's still a very new project, and with four very active members (more than a few active projects). Most artists truly in the mainstream have their own WikiProject as well, and as far as its scope goes, some projects have even less than 100 articles to cover, such as Olivia Rodrigo's. Isthmus55 (t • c) 02:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
May 6, 2024[edit]
Draft:Amina Hassan Sheikh[edit]
The BLP is already in the main NS at Amina Hassan. This draft lacks citations and contains WP:OR. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 21:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- History merge. User:Saqib mistates the history. The draft was already there first. Awesimf (talk · contribs) gets the new article credit, and should not have their contribution history deleted. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's not about which page was created first, it's about which one aligns with WP:V. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 07:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree. Failing WP:V is not a deletion reason, especially not now that you have found sources. You should have improved the draft, not create a content fork. Which page was created first is important. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- I only found out about this draft yesterday. If I'd known earlier, I would've definitely worked on improving it. Further, there's WP:OR and WP:PROMO content in there which it's a clear violation of WP:BLP. Anyway, I don't have strong feelings about it. The closing admin can do whatever they want with it. I'm not concerned about getting credit for merely creating a BLP. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 09:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree. Failing WP:V is not a deletion reason, especially not now that you have found sources. You should have improved the draft, not create a content fork. Which page was created first is important. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- History merge the first 5 revisions, from 17 March 2024. Delete the later revisions. There is then no overlapping history problem. SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's not about which page was created first, it's about which one aligns with WP:V. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 07:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - This nomination is vexatious. Drafts are not deleted simply because an article exists. The usual way of dealing with a draft when there is also an article is to Speedy Redirect the draft to the article, not to delete the draft and its history. This appears to be an effort to deprive a previous contributor of credit and so obtain credit to which the nominator is not entitled. The good faith assumption has to be that the nominator is unaware of the usual practice when a draft and an article both exist, in which case the nominator should not be nominating drafts for deletion. In this case, as SmokeyJoe explains, a history merge is in order rather than a Speedy Redirect. The nominator should not be nominating drafts for deletion if they don't know about Speedy Redirection. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect draft to article. Thanks to Awesimf for writing the draft, and to Saqib for writing a referenced stub. Perhaps they and/or others could see which of the currently unreferenced additional bits in the draft could be referenced and added to the article? Beyond that, I see no particular reason to delete this draft and its history, nor do I see any particular reason to not assume good faith regarding anyone's motivations here. Martinp (talk) 18:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per Matrinp. There are WP:Parallel histories here so this can't be histmerged. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per Martinp and Pppery /... and Extraordinary Writ; switching back to my original recommendation: after a more careful look it is now clear to me that the histories are unrelated and I agree the question of who gets the credit is not important/ (parallel histories).
Selectively histmerge as SmokeyJoe says. Delete the later revisions.—Alalch E. 23:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC) - Selectively History Merge: As per others in this discussion. There's no overlap with the first 5 revisions. TarnishedPathtalk 02:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TarnishedPath since you commented mostly "as per others" which references also my comment at the time when I also recommended histmerging I am just notifying you that I changed my !vote back to redirect, because while histmerging would have been fine in the scenario of someone creating a draft then someone else copying that to mainspace and continuing to work on it, instead of moving, which would be a "copy-and-paste mainspacing", in which scenario providing continuity to establish the real history of contributions would be beneficial, that scenario is not the current scenario, due to the article having been created independently from the draft. I would have !voted like this originally (and in fact I did), but I erroneously changed my !vote because I did not properly interpret the pages' histories. —Alalch E. 23:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- I see no problem with a redirect as the page history will be preserved. TarnishedPathtalk 00:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TarnishedPath since you commented mostly "as per others" which references also my comment at the time when I also recommended histmerging I am just notifying you that I changed my !vote back to redirect, because while histmerging would have been fine in the scenario of someone creating a draft then someone else copying that to mainspace and continuing to work on it, instead of moving, which would be a "copy-and-paste mainspacing", in which scenario providing continuity to establish the real history of contributions would be beneficial, that scenario is not the current scenario, due to the article having been created independently from the draft. I would have !voted like this originally (and in fact I did), but I erroneously changed my !vote because I did not properly interpret the pages' histories. —Alalch E. 23:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect. History merges at best make the history harder to decipher and at worst give a misleading impression of what happened. In this case there's no legal attribution issue, and giving someone "credit" is not a good enough reason to resort to a histmerge, in my opinion. (Requests like this are regularly declined at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge.) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Stress marks in East Slavic words[edit]
- Wikipedia:Stress marks in East Slavic words (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
The advice is based on false premises: "Stress marks don't belong in any Belarusian, Russian, or Ukrainian word". Yes stress marks belong to Russian orthography and covered in Russian orthography books. It instructed to use them in dictionaties and in texts intended to teach Russian. They may be used selectively when stress is ambiguous (до́роги/доро́ги), for little known words, such as personal name (Конакри́, Фе́рми) etc. Therefore I say the page must be nuked as ignorant. - Altenmann >talk 00:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there is the RfC where the thing had been talked through and out, nothing more to say.And thank you for reminding me of a Soviet cartoon of my childhood, The Bremen Town Musicians, where the stress goes ambiguous intentionally:
“ | Тем, кто дружен, не страшны тревоги,
Нам любые до́роги доро́ги! |
” |
- This is exactly what is mentioned in the essay as "very special cases".
- And, as I've already told you, if you think that the RfC was "malformed and an imprpoperly closed" you are always welcome to open your own one. — Mike Novikoff 01:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Resolve this on the talk page and update the project page to make it correct. MfD is not for resolving policy dispute, including this page, whatever the tag. SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)- The is not a policy, it is an ignorant opinion of a single person. I would let it be, but some people mistook it for policy (just like you) and started making massive changes in Wikipedia, which IMO is inadmissible. - Altenmann >talk 07:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- It’s an essay on how to do things, in mainspace. That’s definitely on the small p end of policy.
- Project-related essays should not be deleted, but fixed. If only the author supports it, it can be userfied.
- Project space essays do carry weight and will influence editors. If the essay is wrong, it is important to fix, but mfd is not the forum for fixing essays. SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to fix it (by adding a warning), but the owner reverts my changes. - Altenmann >talk 15:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Take this problem to Wikipedia talk:Stress marks in East Slavic words. The two of you there seem to be at an impasse. Summarise the conflict, and then list it at WP:3O. Should that fail to resolve the problem, start a WP:RFC. Should that fail to solve the problem, except to demonstrate that it is at best a waste of time, then consider bringing it to MfD. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, disagreed. There is no "conflict". The page is based on the provably false premise, see the top here; hence, MfD. - Altenmann >talk 05:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Take this problem to Wikipedia talk:Stress marks in East Slavic words. The two of you there seem to be at an impasse. Summarise the conflict, and then list it at WP:3O. Should that fail to resolve the problem, start a WP:RFC. Should that fail to solve the problem, except to demonstrate that it is at best a waste of time, then consider bringing it to MfD. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to fix it (by adding a warning), but the owner reverts my changes. - Altenmann >talk 15:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- The is not a policy, it is an ignorant opinion of a single person. I would let it be, but some people mistook it for policy (just like you) and started making massive changes in Wikipedia, which IMO is inadmissible. - Altenmann >talk 07:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- What about the 2021 MoS RfC—@Altenmann:? Is the essay mostly inconsistent or mostly consistent with the RfC?—Alalch E. 23:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- tl;dr, The conclusion of the closer "there is a discernible consensus to generally omit stress marks." But this is about general chaotic discussion, while the RFC !vote part shows overwhelming support of keeping stress marks where they are reasonable. This contradicts the discussed document, which demands exclusion of them altogether, and basing on false premises, too. The issue belongs to WP:MOS and as I see Cyrillic stress marks are not covered in WP:MOSPRON nor in MOS:DIACRITICS. Yes the essay is mostly inconsistent with RFC, which, by the way contained reasonable suggestions by user:SMcCandlish, but it appears it went nowhere. 16:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems that the essay is consistent with the close of the RfC but you consider the close to have been a wrong close. Why don't you challenge the RfC close or start a new one ... you know that this RfC won't go away just because you think it was closed incorrectly, right? An MfD is no way to challenge an RfC. —Alalch E. 16:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- I didnt say the close was wrong. It was basically correct. But The essay's "nutshell" is "Stress marks don't belong in any Belarusian, Russian, or Ukrainian word and should be removed on sight"" I fail to see how this drastic suggestion is the same as generally omit stress marks, not to say that <sigh> I have to repeat again and again to each comer here, the "don't belong " is a provably false statement- Altenmann >talk 18:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, then perhaps rewrite the essay to be more consistent with the RfC? Have you been having problems with that? —Alalch E. 18:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- No can do; its owner objects. Not to say that the RfC must result in the improvement of the guideline, but the discussion run out of steam. - Altenmann >talk 18:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- This good? Special:Permalink/1223236130? —Alalch E. 19:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- No can do; its owner objects. Not to say that the RfC must result in the improvement of the guideline, but the discussion run out of steam. - Altenmann >talk 18:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, then perhaps rewrite the essay to be more consistent with the RfC? Have you been having problems with that? —Alalch E. 18:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- I didnt say the close was wrong. It was basically correct. But The essay's "nutshell" is "Stress marks don't belong in any Belarusian, Russian, or Ukrainian word and should be removed on sight"" I fail to see how this drastic suggestion is the same as generally omit stress marks, not to say that <sigh> I have to repeat again and again to each comer here, the "don't belong " is a provably false statement- Altenmann >talk 18:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems that the essay is consistent with the close of the RfC but you consider the close to have been a wrong close. Why don't you challenge the RfC close or start a new one ... you know that this RfC won't go away just because you think it was closed incorrectly, right? An MfD is no way to challenge an RfC. —Alalch E. 16:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- tl;dr, The conclusion of the closer "there is a discernible consensus to generally omit stress marks." But this is about general chaotic discussion, while the RFC !vote part shows overwhelming support of keeping stress marks where they are reasonable. This contradicts the discussed document, which demands exclusion of them altogether, and basing on false premises, too. The issue belongs to WP:MOS and as I see Cyrillic stress marks are not covered in WP:MOSPRON nor in MOS:DIACRITICS. Yes the essay is mostly inconsistent with RFC, which, by the way contained reasonable suggestions by user:SMcCandlish, but it appears it went nowhere. 16:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
P.S. I was reverted with the edit summary of WP:OWN : "and realize that this essay was *never* meant to advocate and promote *any* usage of stress marks at all" - which reaffirms my strong opinion for deletion of an essay which is not an explanation of any wikipedia guideline, just an opinion of a single strong-hanged person. - Altenmann >talk 18:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy, as a disputed single-author essay. Noted WP:OWNership issues are serious and will be solved by userfication. —SmokeyJoe (talk)
- Please note that the essay has been successfully edited by many users, passed a WP:RM with discussion, and had a consensus version from September 2023. Then suddenly Altenmann appeared with this in January. — Mike Novikoff 02:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @SmokeyJoe: I think we're good now actually.—Alalch E. 11:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Delete this has no business in wikispace and given the author of it was banned for civility issues around this topic i don't really see the point of userfying it—blindlynx 01:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)- Who was banned? Where? Around what? — Mike Novikoff 02:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Shit sorry i thought Taurus Littrow wrote most of this, i didn't realize i wasn't looking at the earliest history—blindlynx 01:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Who was banned? Where? Around what? — Mike Novikoff 02:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- sorry thought i struck it—blindlynx 22:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The essay, in its current version, as seen in Special:PermanentLink/1223433915 is consistent with the 2021 RfC and can't be described as a "disputed single-author essay". The problem is located in the previous wording: "Stress marks don't belong ... and should be removed on sight". And while that language was not fully consistent with the RfC result, it was not very far from it either. But now the wording has been tweaked to truly match the RfC, and that is how it should be. If someone wants more flexibility than the RfC allows, start a new RfC. If someone wants more rigidity, start a new RfC. In my opinion the existing RfC is satisfactory, and this essay is okay.—Alalch E. 10:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Legitimate explainer of extant consensus and past discussions akin to WP:RSP. Nardog (talk) 22:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The essay is based on the result of a MoS RfC and doesn't just reflect the opinion of a single person. The concerns of the nominator appear to have been addressed now that the essay has been revised to be more consistent with the RfC (it no longer says that "stress marks don't belong in any Belarusian, Russian, or Ukrainian word"). Malerisch (talk) 22:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)