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Pronunciation[edit]
The table in the subsection "Pronunciation" has some issues that need to be fixed.
- The second column has no header. Its function is unclear, and without attribution, it feigns objectivity, but actually it is just unsourced. I suggest too delete it.
- The column attributed to Cardona has many gaps. This insinuates that in such cases, Cardona agrees with Goldman & Goldman and the unattributed first column; this is however not the case in a couple of instances (e.g. with the short high vowels). And even where it is, it won't hurt to spell out the agreement.
- The retroflex series is transcribed as postalveolar in most cases (t̠ for ʈ etc.). There is an old debate about what a "true" retroflex consonant is, but both Goldman & Goldman and Cardona describe points of articulation that can safely be labeled and transcribed as "retroflex" (Goldman & Goldman:
the tip of the tongue should be curled back further to the roof of the mouth
; Cardona:located at the area immediately behind the alveolar ridge (mūrdhanya [usually translated 'retroflex'])
). Cardona explicitly uses the term retroflex in the further description, not only for the rhotic and the sibilant, but also for stops and nasals.
I suggest to use plain ʈ, ɖ, ʂ, ɳ, as in the table in "Consonants". - The table attributes [ɐi ~ ɛi] for ai and [ɐu ~ ɔu] for au to Cardona. Actually, Cardona writes:
the Taittirīyaprātiśākhya notes that according to some the segment a in ai and au is a closer vowel than the usual a
. Closer than a [ɐ] would be [ə]; Cardona does not say that it is not central like the usual a. So we should change [ɐi ~ ɛi] / [ɐu ~ ɔu] to [ɐi ~ əi] / [ɐu ~ əu], but note that this actually is an OR interpretation of the source. To be on the safe side, I suggest to only use [ɐi]/[ɐu] and a note in prose about the reported variation.
Also, I am not very happy about the use of ⟨ɑ⟩ in /ɑː/, /ɑj/, /ɑw/ for ā, ai, and au. None of the cited sources uses ⟨ɑ⟩. Only Goldman & Goldman's description for the layperson (pronounced like the o in "mom"
) might suggest [ɑː] for ā, but all sources that are more explicit about the exact phonetic nature of vowels describe it as central (and FWIW, Robert Goldman uses central or front [aː] when reading Sanskrit texts aloud). And /ɑj/, /ɑw/ are entirely unsupported by the sources. It's not just the ⟨ɑ⟩ that is wrong, but also the transcription of the second segment as glide; Cardona mentions that according to some traditions, the second segment was pronounced with an even longer duration than the a. Let's replace /ɑː/, /ɑj/, /ɑw/ with /aː/, /ai/, /au/.
Thoughts? If no one objects, I will change the tables in the next few days. –Austronesier (talk) 11:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
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Will an entry on that writing system for Sanskrit have to be made?
If so, how could it be titled? -- Apisite (talk) 22:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Apisite I read the document and it is good. I originally reverted thinking not relevant, and also seemed like promotional. But reading it more, it seems good, but I am not sure whether other editors will think same. Asteramellus (talk) 01:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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I want to add to the main table, where it speaks about the regions where Sanskrit is used, to write just Indian Subcontinent (which is geographically a synonym to South Asia, but more related to the concept of the Indosphere), Indianised Southeast Asia (to specify that it was parts of Southeast Asia under Indian influence), and also Tibet and Mongolia, the Indo-Tibetan cultural sphere, which in the mediaeval and early modern period received large influences from India (Mongolia through Tibet). 31.221.136.153 (talk) 08:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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