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Canada's complex relationship with the USA[edit]
KlayCax you have removed the word "complex " inrelation to relations between Canada and the United States a few times now without trying to undersdtand why its used [1], [2]. This is a term that you will find used throughout history about this topic by academics and the media alike. Your reasoning is it needs more context...however its all in the article...in fact Canada's relationship with the USA is the most covered topic of foreign relations in the article as a whole.
Sources[edit]
- Mckenna, Peter (1999). "Canada, the United States, and the Organization of American States". American Review of Canadian Studies. 29 (3): 473–493. doi:10.1080/02722019909481638. ISSN 0272-2011.
this important and complex relationship,
- "Reconcilable Differences: A History of Canada-US Relationsn". Oxford University Press.
Reconcilable Differences provides students with a contemporary look at the often complex relationship between Canada and the United States from 1763 to today, using the most recent scholarship available.
- "Canada and the United States". The Canadian Encyclopedia. June 11, 2020.
"The Americans are our best friends whether we like it or not." This statement, uttered in the House of Commons by Robert Thompson, the leader of the Social Credit Party early in the 1960s, perhaps best captures the essence of Canada's complex relationship with its nearest neighbour.
- Shull, Aaron; Tandt, Michael Den (December 13, 2021). "Is US President Joe Biden Good or Bad for Canada?". Centre for International Governance Innovation.
Canadians have a complex relationship with the United States.
- "Dispute Resolution in the Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement: One Element of a Complex Relationship". McGill Law Journal. September 18, 2018.
- Hale, Geoffrey (November 1, 2012). "So Near Yet So Far". UBC Press.
How do politicians, diplomats, and interest groups negotiate the tangled web of Canada–US relations? So Near Yet So Far provides in-depth look at the multiple dimensions of this complex relationship..
- "A Canadian Agenda for the USA: Obama and Beyond". Canadian Global Affairs Institute. August 1, 2018.
Complex and Complicated but Mutually-Beneficial Relationship Ours is a very complex relationship built, as John F. Kennedy remarked, on ties of history, geography, economics, security and deep people-to-people relationships.
- ""The U.S. Studies Program at The University of British Columbia will significantly increase our understanding of the United States and its institutions and policies through critical research, teaching, and public outreach, making a tremendous contribution to Canada's complex relationship with the U.S."". usstudies. January 16, 2013.
Moxy- 15:30, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- I too wondered why it was used? But it kinda flew under my radar. You bring up a good point. I assumed it was issues like the softwood dispute; the NAFTA re-negotiations; the arctic dispute; Canada looking to claim Hawaii, but the USA getting there like a mere 1 week earlier (so I heard); the burnings of the Parliament/White House; FATCA legislation that caught up so many Canadians in the US tax reporting obligations; however as you said without a clearcut explanation it is all conjecture. CaribDigita (talk) 07:02, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- We link the main article on the topic, provide sources and cover the topic all over the article. That said Canada looking to claim Hawaii,?Moxy- 17:33, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- I too wondered why it was used? But it kinda flew under my radar. You bring up a good point. I assumed it was issues like the softwood dispute; the NAFTA re-negotiations; the arctic dispute; Canada looking to claim Hawaii, but the USA getting there like a mere 1 week earlier (so I heard); the burnings of the Parliament/White House; FATCA legislation that caught up so many Canadians in the US tax reporting obligations; however as you said without a clearcut explanation it is all conjecture. CaribDigita (talk) 07:02, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot find it now. There was a radio interview about the 'Turks & Caicos -- Canada political union or affiliation' idea some years ago, and I believe it was either by CTV or CBC and they delved into a fact about a captain from Canada setting off to claim Hawaii for the British Empire but the captain from the USA arrived one week earlier and that's how it wound up a US state instead. CaribDigita (talk) 22:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2024[edit]
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After Canada, add officially the Dominion of Canada, as is there for all other countries 142.189.71.71 (talk) 07:13, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: “Dominion of Canada” not the name; please see Name of Canada. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 12:55, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 February 2024[edit]
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Update the Canada's population rank from 37th to 36th. This is due to Ukraine's population falling from 36th to 39th, according to the list of countries and dependencies by population. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 03:29, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 March 2024[edit]
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I want to edit Canada to update the countries it borders because it included Denmark and also including new territories (Hans Island) end of the Whiskey War 2001:4455:55E:B500:619E:579:2508:5C19 (talk) 21:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 22:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Could other editors please have a look at a new article, Humanitarian crisis of family reunification in Quebec. The article's creator has made several lengthy edits to Canadian articles which would benefit from review by editors familiar with Quebec. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:23, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 March 2024[edit]
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Canada to Kanada 2.109.102.68 (talk) 11:43, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 12:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: This requires a consensus that frankly I don't think has a snowball's chance in hell of passing. Good day—RetroCosmos talk 22:44, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 March 2024[edit]
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Update population from 40,528,396 (2023 Q4 estimate) to 40,769,890 (2024 Q1 estimate). ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 12:43, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Shadow311 (talk) 14:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The reliable source is already in the article/infobox, it's the same source that's currently being used. No change of sources is being asked, just an update to reflect the source. Canterbury Tail talk 15:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Done ..😀Moxy🍁 17:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Please note the archive for the StatsCan source must be updated when we update the population; otherwise, it points to a version with the wrong population listed. Thanks. —Joeyconnick (talk) 19:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Area of Canada[edit]
Total area | 9,984,670 km2 (3,855,100 sq mi) (2nd) |
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• Water (%) | 11.76 (2015) |
• Total land area | 9,093,507 km2 (3,511,023 sq mi) |
Do the "total area" and the "water" area include Hudson Bay? And do they include parts of the three oceans bounding Canada? If the latter are included how far from land do they extend? Michael Hardy (talk) 00:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Freshwater calculations only. That said we're one of the weirdos where our territorial claims are larger than our economic zone... Exclusive economic zone of Canada. Moxy🍁 01:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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Xiedingjian (talk) 23:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Based the information from Statistic Canada on March 30 2024, the population of Canada is 41,013,253. Webpage : Population of Canada (real-time model)https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2018005-eng.htm
- We use quarterly statistics...https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000901.. Thus we don't have to update it on a daily basis.Moxy🍁 00:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 April 2024[edit]
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It seems to me that the arrow for the population estimate should be increase neutral and a positive increase (green) for the census population. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 11:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 15:06, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The arrow for the census population should be changed from neutral (grey) to positive (green). The population has increased, confirmed by the change from the 2016 census to the 2021 census. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 02:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- All country articles use grey arrows for the infobox population tables, whether there has been an increase or decrease in population B3251 (talk) 02:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes... that makes sense, as a population increase is not necessarily a positive change in all contexts. —Joeyconnick (talk) 17:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- All country articles use grey arrows for the infobox population tables, whether there has been an increase or decrease in population B3251 (talk) 02:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- The arrow for the census population should be changed from neutral (grey) to positive (green). The population has increased, confirmed by the change from the 2016 census to the 2021 census. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 02:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 April 2024 (GINI update)[edit]
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The GINI index value is outdated.
Change GINI index value from 30.3 to 29.2 [1]
OR
Change GINI index value from 30.3 to 28.8 [2]
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Do not know which source should be used but the numbers are still lower than the 2018 one.
IamTiabeanie (talk) 05:50, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure either, but the current number is based on the OECD source so that may be a good choice, for lack of better alternative. ASUKITE 17:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done ASUKITE 17:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ OECD (2024), Income inequality (indicator). doi: 10.1787/459aa7f1-en (Accessed on 16 April 2024)
- ^ Statistics Canada. Table 11-10-0134-01 Gini coefficients of adjusted market, total and after-tax income. DOI: https://doi.org/10.25318/1110013401-eng
Demographics list removed[edit]
Hi. I noticed that the demographics list of the Canadian population is missing (or was removed) from the top of the main page on Canada. Is there a reason for this? I remember it listed there not too long and is shown when you click on the "Canadian" link under Demonym. I think this is a good way to instantly understand who the Canadian people are so I think it should be included back in. 47.23.177.234 (talk) 15:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Canadian-Danish Realm Border[edit]
This was discussed last in February but I wish to bring it up again. Almost all country pages on Wikipedia have mentions of said nations bordering countries, or even just countries close by, in their lead. Exceptions include large countries like China and Russia with significant amounts of bordering nations, but both still mention the amount of countries bordered and provides a link to the their respective borders.
The Canadian-Danish Realm border, though small, is still an international border between sovereign states that should be mentioned in the lead. It is also apparently the third shortest land border in the world, which is notable. Zinderboff(talk) 15:12, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- I had re-created Borders of Canada (which matches the idea of Borders of Mexico and Borders of the United States. Except the Canadian one was merely reduced to mere redirect to Canada-US relations. CaribDigita (talk) 16:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Problem we have is this is historically insignificant..... thus does not belong in the lead about a country. The lead is for significant facts and historical events...... not a laundry list. I would suggest the other articles need to be brought up to FA level as seen here.Moxy🍁 22:07, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Having a border with another country isn't really historically insignificant, it is a present fact. The process of acquiring said border probably isn't notable enough for the lead but not the border itself.
Fellow FAs India and Cameroon both dedicates most of their first paragraph mentioning all bordering countries, along with even maritime borders. When this was promoted to FA in 2006 this border wasn't a thing in existence, it is now. Canada is the only country article I have seen which lead doesn't mention all its bordering nations in some way. Zinderboff(talk) 02:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)- India is a horrible example of an article to fallow.... Best we don't simply have a laundry list of examples... since we list the ocean territories. I simply don't see the need to list all 10 countries..... this isn't a geography article. That said let's see what others say. Moxy🍁 02:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- One of the reasons that borders get mentioned in the other articles is that those borders have major political and trade significance. India has been at war with two of its neighbouring countries, China and Pakistan, and was involved in the Pakistan civil war that resulted in Bangladesh. There are also trade issues between those countries, through their borders. Russia borders several countries that once were part of the USSR and also has a major war on with one of its neighbours, which in turn has caused one of its other neighbours, Finland, to join NATO. The borders of these countries have a major role in the internal politics and external affairs.
- The Canadian border with the Danish realm has none of those features. Hans Island is remote and unpopulated. There are no trade implications. That portion of Nunavut and Greenland have very low populations. There are no conflicts over the island that are likely to lead to war; the Whiskey War was a civilized trading échange of flags, whiskey and schnapps. Denmark and Canada are NATO allies.
- A short border on an uninhabited island, distant from most population centres, with no trade implications, and no military threats, is not sufficiently notable to appear in the lead, anymore than the maritime boundary with France. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- India is a horrible example of an article to fallow.... Best we don't simply have a laundry list of examples... since we list the ocean territories. I simply don't see the need to list all 10 countries..... this isn't a geography article. That said let's see what others say. Moxy🍁 02:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Agree strongly with Moxy... this is 100% not lead-worthy. It can be mentioned elsewhere in the article or in other relevant articles but given how remote and uninhabited the area where the border is located is, it is clearly not suitable to mention it in this article's lead. —Joeyconnick (talk) 05:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Having a border with another country isn't really historically insignificant, it is a present fact. The process of acquiring said border probably isn't notable enough for the lead but not the border itself.
- Problem we have is this is historically insignificant..... thus does not belong in the lead about a country. The lead is for significant facts and historical events...... not a laundry list. I would suggest the other articles need to be brought up to FA level as seen here.Moxy🍁 22:07, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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Under the "Government and Politics" section, change "centre-left leaning Liberal Party of Canada" to "centre to centre-left leaning Liberal Party of Canada". This reflects the consensus in other articles that the Liberal Party of Canada is as much (if not more so) centrist as it is centre-left. Thecolonpagesaretoocomplicated (talk) 16:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- No need...... explain in the following sentence. Moxy🍁 22:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Error in table of "Largest metropolitan areas in Canada"[edit]
In the table titled "Largest metropolitan areas in Canada" there is an error: the column titled "Municipal pop." should say "Metropolitan pop.", as these are all populations of metropolitan areas.
For example, Montreal's 4.3 million is its metropolitan population as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_census_metropolitan_areas_and_agglomerations_in_Canada, compared to its municipal population of 1.8 million as per List of the largest municipalities in Canada by population. As the side is extended-protected I couldn't quickly figure out how to do it myself or make an edit request. Thanks! 142.126.42.190 (talk) 22:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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