Talk:Tavoy campaign (1788)

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Redundancy[edit]

Tanakorn Srichaisuphakit, this conflict is already covered in another article, Tavoy campaign (1787). It seems that the year discrepancy is due to the old Thai system of reckoning year changes in April. That article should probably be renamed to Tavoy campaign (1788), and the new content merged there. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:59, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Paul_012, let's actually merge it there. - Tanakorn Srichaisuphakit

The "war" terminology was disputed by VFF0347, as mentioned in the discussion at Talk:Tavoy campaign (1787). --Paul_012 (talk) 17:13, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usually, it would be preferable to merge into the older article. But in this case there's really not much significant history, so I guess it's not a big deal. I don't feel strongly about the terminology, so if VFF0347 doesn't object, I'll redirect the other article here. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:03, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Name Change[edit]

Hello all! I certainly have no objection to the renaming of this article to correct the year in which it occurred. However, I would restate my objection to referring to the minor amount of conflict as a war.

As I said before, when I researched the subject in the past I found one document (Symes, Michael (Spring 2006). "An Account of an Embassy to the Kingdom of Ava". SBBR. SOAS, University of London. 4.) where the conflict was mentioned as following: "In the commencement of the ensuing year (1787), the Siamese, in considerable force, laid siege to Tavoy; but after a long struggle were compelled to retreat and abandon the enterprize." In a second article regarding the history of Burma (Wood, W.A.R. (1924). A History of Siam. London: T. Fisher Unwin, Ltd. Retrieved 11 December 2019.), it mentioned the siege of Tavoy by saying "In 1787, the Siamese took the offensive, and attacked Tavoy, but failed to take it." The Wood history also mentioned conflict in Lampang and Pasang, saying "In 1787, the Burmese who still held Chiengsen and Chiengrai, attacked Lampang and Pasang (then the capital of Prince Kawila who had not yest established himself at Chiengmai) but were defeated by Laos, assisted by an army under the Maha Uparat of Siam."

To me these military actions do not constitute a "war." Border aggression was very common throughout this period in Southeast Asia and I would say that the actions constitute border agression, but not a war. As such it would be my opinion that the article should more properly be renamed "Burmese–Siamese Campaign (1788)" or "Burmese–Siamese Aggression (1788)."

Thanks, VFF0347 (talk) 16:12, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Considering the above, I've moved the article to Tavoy campaign (1788), to reflect the formerly stable title and address the year discrepancy, and redirected Tavoy campaign (1787) here. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:10, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]