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Why are Ireland and Austria in red ?--218.56.60.49 (talk) 07:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

My guess is that they don't intend to join NATO?

Just to make sure this kind of question doesn't come up again:

NEUTRAL COUNTRIES such as these will remain out in order TO REMAIN NEUTRAL:

AUSTRIA, SWITZERLAND, LIECHTENSTEIN, SWEDEN, FINLAND, IRELAND. --LeedsKing (talk) 04:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

- France is not a NATO member. It takes part in some NATO missions but is not actually a member. It withdrew from it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.245.177 (talk) 17:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

France is now a member. and please, someone color Moldova accordingly. Membership of NATO is not an intent, as written in the constitution of this small country, which states the neutrality of it regarding any military organizations or conflicts. 83.103.179.12 (talk) 14:03, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

they just pulled out of the centralized command, they were still in all along.--Conor Fallon (talk) 02:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Kosovo

I am not so sure Kosovo should be on the map. I believe many NATO members recognize it's independence but the majority of the international community does not and therefore, it should not be put in this map. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.78.26 (talk) 06:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

One could argue though that this map is from NATO's viewpoint though rather than the UN's. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie, AKA TheArchaeologist Say Herro 07:26, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Red map colouring

Most cold war maps used to show NATO as blue and the Warsaw Pact as red. Neutral countries which had basically capitalist economies, or were not dominated by Moscow had a different colour. This map shows all non-joining countries, including Russia as a deep "communist" red. A different colour would be better. --LeedsKing (talk) 04:23, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

EU-NATO - Map Errors

The six non-NATO EU states - Sweden, Austria, Finland, Ireland, Cyprus and Malta are incorrectly labeled "membership not a goal." The EU is itself an associated entity of NATO and the relationship between the EU and NATO has been worked out in recent years resulting in several principles. These principles include that NATO and the EU/ESDP are "separable but not separate" and that the EU may act on security matters only when NATO declines to act, but NATO assets may be used by the EU in such case. The non-NATO EU states have a sui generis relationship with NATO that is accurately labeled "EU associated nations" or "affiliated EU/ESDP nations". 7o62x39 (talk) 21:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)7o62x39

The map incorrectly labels Azerbaijan as "undetermined" - Azerbaijan is currently a member of the GAMU security alliance of Georgia, Azerbaijan, Moldova, and Ukraine. Azerbaijan's relationship with NATO is that as of March 2008, Azerbaijan entered into a second Individual Partnership Action Plan (IPAP). Therefore the map should state the relationship accurately with Azerbaijan currently cooperating with NATO under an IPAP. Source: http://www.nato.int/issues/nato-azerbaijan/index.html

Kosovo, Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Cyprus, Crimea

Since the map includes, correctly, Kosovo it should also include Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, and Nagorno-Karabakh. The purpose of the map is to show de facto reality, not "UN recognized" or such. The map should convey maximum information about issues that are relevant to NATO enlargement. The Russian recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia is very relevant given the promised membership status of Georgia.

The map should also reflect the reality of the division of Cyprus (Turk and Greek Cypriot and NATO territory in the sovereign British possession) as well as Russia's claim to the Crimea given the real possibility that a Ukrainian NATO membership would cause Russia to act on Crimea. Again, the purpose is not to show favoritism towards one side of these disputes but to have wikipedia serve as a realiable source of information about real issues regarding NATO enlargement. 7o62x39 (talk) 19:04, 8 July 2009 (UTC)7o62x39

Other than Kosovo and Cyprus do any NATO members actually recognise those areas as independent countries? You can put them in if you like as it is unlikely any of those regions would agree to join with NATO. I don't see why we put in this Crimea thing. I have never heard of it, could you give a source please if you happen to still be around? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie, AKA TheArchaeologist Say Herro 07:30, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

NATO enlargement via EU - NATO member global territorial possessions

Both Algeria and the Falklands raised the issue of NATO's responsibility to defend the non-European territories of NATO members, outside of the incorporated territory of the USA and Canada and Denmark's North American possession, Greenland. There has always been a degree of ambiguity with respect to this issue. For example, would NATO defend American Puerto Rico or Guam? Or France's incorporated possessions in French Guiana or Reunion, among many others? I think there was never any doubt that NATO would have defended the Spanish, Portugese and British islands of the mid Atlantic, but the status of the Carribean possessions was unclear. This ambiguity became even more complex with the evolution of the EU and the Berlin Agreements between the EU and NATO. France's Reunion in the Indian Ocean is an incorporated territory of the EU as is French Guiana. French Guiana and Reunion are as much a part of France and the EU as Alaska and Hawaii are with their statehood, a part of the USA. Defense of the incorporated territory of the EU is firstly a NATO responsibility. Its very difficult to conceive of a situation where incorporated territory of the EU would not be defended by NATO. So what of France's New Caledonia in the Pacific which is part of France but unincorporated into the EU? There are also the Spanish enclaves on the North African coast which are incorporated into the EU. Bottom line, the NATO expansion map needs to recognize that EU evolution and the Berlin Agreements also expanded NATO. That is to say, the evolution of the EU has transformed colonial possessions of NATO members (where NATO's obligations were ambiguous) into incorporated territories of the EU and NATO members (where NATO obligation has now expanded). 7o62x39 (talk) 19:25, 8 July 2009 (UTC)7o62x39

Montenegro joined MAP

Can someone plz actualize the map? Montenegro joined MAP on 4th of December 2009.--92.228.198.77 (talk) 17:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Kosovo has the intention to join NATO

Please give Kosovo the right colour, because Kosovo has the intention to join NATO. Here a source from a meeting between Macedonia-Kosovo officials http://www.vlada.mk/?q=node/4665 Habel (talk) 17:22, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Map should be updated!

The map should be updated; Ukraine on the map should be colored red, because NATO membership is not Ukraine's goal anymore. A.h. king • Talk to me! 12:30, 27 July 2010 (UTC)