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RFA2024 RFCs that affect administrators[edit]

For your information, there are many WP:RFA2024 RFCs that recently closed that affect administrators. You may wish to examine these in more detail at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review#Phase I. A quick summary:

Today I edited this policy page to reflect proposals 14 and 25 since those look straightforward. Will hold off on editing in the other proposals for various reasons (only approved for trial, needs a follow-up RFC to flesh out details, etc.) –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could we consider revising criteria for procedural removal of administrator tools?[edit]

I think we should add something about not logging administrative actions. There was a recent case where a semi-active editor was desysopped because they made a controversial reverse of a block after not logging any administrative actions for years.

I think if a user has logged zero administrative actions within 2 years (including editing protected pages, deleting pages, protecting pages, blocking editors, but not rollback, new pages patrol, or moving pages without leaving a redirect), excluding admin actions that have been self reverted, then the user should have their rights removed, with reversal at BNB for up to 3 years after removal. We need to find a way to handle the gaming where administrators try to maintain a level of activity just to keep the tools, even as they slowly lose touch with changing community expectations for the tools. There is no point in having admin access with users that won't use it; in fact it can do more harm especially as such accounts can be broken into and compromised. Awesome Aasim 02:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that this has been discussed in the past, one objection has always been that "logged actions" tends to not include edits that happen to be administrative actions, like pronouncements at WP:AE or block threats or AFD closes or refusals to take a certain administrative action or edits to protected pages. The second-to-last one especially, that such a rule could incentivize people taking administrative actions where they shouldn't. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Editing protected pages does not generate a log entry. An editor who is attempting to game inactivity with the tools can just as easily delete one page in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion every 2 years as they can at present so it doesn't solve the problem of out-of-touch admins but does, per Jo-Jo Eumerus, potentially incentivise bad admin actions.
The only thing I can think of that would solve the issue of out-of-touch admins is mandatory periodic reconfirmation RFAs, but they have their own suite of issues (not least scalability and disincentivising potentially controversial admin actions) and have been rejected by the community multiple times. Thryduulf (talk) 13:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Technically, protected edits are logged at Special:AbuseFilter/942 but it's not an inherent feature of the software the way e.g Special:Log/protect is. And it's not a widely known feature, either. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and it misses cascade-prot edits. It is still a useful AF log though! — xaosflux Talk 15:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't even saying a "reconfirmation RfA". An admin's only edits should not be to remove themselves from Project:Missing Wikipedians or to make minor edits, etc. I could imagine all sorts of gaming to try to avoid procedural removal of the tools. For example, we desysop if a user has made less than 100 edits in the past 5 years. But what if on year 4 they go and make 99 minor or copy edits to articles? That feels like gaming to me. They still are very inactive and they still might be falling out of touch with the expectations of administrators. Awesome Aasim 15:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My point was that your proposal doesn't solve the problem it sets out to solve but would create new problems, and therefore it's not one that I can support. Thryduulf (talk) 15:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
they go and make 99 minor or copy edits to articles - that sounds like they're improving Wikipedia, which is what they should be doing. I find it rather unlikely that someone would get the "you're about to be desysopped" notice, panic and make 100 edits really quickly, and then disappear again for another two years; if one gets motivated by the warning, they'll stick around for a bit. Primefac (talk) 11:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to close this account for good, removing all revision histories, can you please do that?[edit]

I tried my damn best to be a better person, and reported on someone who was banned unfairly in 2012. Instead of getting help I was forced to either do what I'm told or get out, and I want to help Wikipedia, but fuck it I'm not even reading revision histories if I am gonna be villainized for the smallest mistakes. So please do it I know it takes a long time without bots, but I want nothing to do with this website if I can't even ask civil qusetions without getting heat for it. And I WILL make a video talking about the unfair ban as it was unjust, it happened over a decade ago which makes it worse. As for me, don't ban me just close this account for good, I don't know how or have the power to do so. But I'm fed up with how I can't even return nicely without rudely being demanded to leave. One more thing, look for someone good at English to translate the Bogi Ágústsson I'm not doing it anymore if I can't even ask questions without getting into trouble. Also before it's too late get this site some ads, lack of ads is why it's failing financially.

Also if I'm required to end the post with a question, how can I trust a wiki where you are warned even when you try to return civilly? Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 12:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If there is anything else we can help you with, please let us know. Best regards, and thank you for using Wikipedia. Primefac (talk) 14:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will also note that you are not "in trouble", nor do I see any indication that you were "asked to leave" or are being threatened with a ban. Primefac (talk) 14:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to link to the discussion where you were told these things and we can take a closer look. Your post has some unusual ideas in it such as Also if I'm required to end the post with a question. There's no policy like this so i wonder if you've been given bad advice by someone. Also it is a bit odd to see drama over such an old ban. So much can change in 10 years. A wel-formed unblock request by the blocked or banned editor may be successful. Oh and the foundation has plenty of money. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Novem Linguae: It's wrt this conversation. While they were clearly not threatened with a block or a ban, I guess they misread Bbb23's comment that BTMF was abusing a template and being obnoxious as being a step towards a block. Their comment here about having to answer with a question: they received another template ({{Help me-nq}}) which tells them You used the {{Help me}} tag but did not ask a question. Please write out your question and replace the {{Help me}} tag when you are done. They seem to be in a passion over something, and it's currently unclear why. ——Serial Number 54129 18:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyediting[edit]

I have made series of WP:Bold changes to this policy page, aiming to clarify confusing sentences, cull repeated guidance, and increase concision, all while preserving guidance determined by community consensus. [1][2] Clearly, I have failed, and as @Andrybak have disagreed with the edits, I wanted to start a discussion. Andrybak has given helpful feedback: from the edit summary, I realized I have deleted a policy shortcut template, which was not intended. Andrybak pointed out I changed some wording that was determined via consensus. While I believe to have preserved the intended meaning in such sentences, I should have made a effort to discuss beforehand.

However, I believe most of my other copyedits were improvements, and I would like others to identify problematic aspects, so that copyedits identified to be improvements can remain intact. Ca talk to me! 14:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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