Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (places in Bangladesh)

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Original Discussion[edit]

The initial discussion took place here: Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Proposal_for_WP:NCGN.23Bangladesh.

Request for Comments[edit]

CLOSED

Per the RfC and the previous one, there does appear to be a consensus to support this proposed guideline. As a result the following will take effect:

All Bangladesh related articles should follow the WP:BDPLACE guideline.
If there is any item that is not covered in this guideline, editors should default back to the WP:PLACE guideline.
Editors should remember that this is a guideline, and not a policy.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

There is a generic conventions for geographic names. But that is not clear enough for places in Bangladesh. This arose to inconsistency in names and sometimes lead to various issues. That is why a WP:BDPLACE in conjunction to WP:PLACE was proposed in December of 2014 and I think it is time to adopt it. – nafSadh did say 18:52, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Agree – nafSadh did say 22:17, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is to be expected. I see nothing here which should be controversial. There should be some standard rules for talking about Bangladeshi places in English Wikipedia, and the points in this proposal are not covered by WP:PLACE. This is a good complement to WP:PLACE. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:10, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now, because no notification was apparently provided about this RFC at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names). I will go notify.Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:29, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. John Eric Elford (talk) 11:38, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

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Please, Invite people using {{subst:User:Nafsadh/promo/1|~~~~]}}. – nafSadh did say 22:17, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is unclear: "When multiple spellings exist, choose the page name according to Bangladesh government portal (mostly in Bengali only), next to Banglapedia (www.banglapedia.org)." Since we are dealing with English spelling, how is the Bengali spelling to be interpreted? What transliteration system should be used? There are many different styles for transliterating Bangla into English. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 09:51, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The parenthetic is unclear, Bangladesh govt. portal does not have English name for all places. In such cases Banglapedia is to be referred. I guess, this line needs to be better phrased. Help us out. nafSadh did say 15:04, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I will still work on a pilot first. Can someone lead the pilot? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 04:31, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We need more than just two volunteers for the pilot. Lets see if @Arr4: and @Kmzayeem: are at least interested. @বব২৬: is in a long Wiki-break. I wish he was back. nafSadh did say 05:35, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Nafsadh: What I have to do? - Arr4 (talk) 09:14, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Aditya was saying, we should run a pilot on BDPLACE; may be chose Rajshahi , then check and refactor names of places in Rajshahi according to BDPLACE. It will (1) check for any flaw in the proposal (2) let us practice this convention. We can form a project: Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh/Geography Workgroup and keep a log on how it is coming up. May be we can maintain a sortable table (or just a list) to put old name and new names of articles in a page within that project. nafSadh did say 13:41, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We have a geography workgroup. – nafSadh did say 20:01, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Created WP:BDPLACE/Log. -- nafSadh did say 20:12, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Count me in! --Zayeem ^(talk) 05:30, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also me. - Arr4 (talk) 14:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks guys. You can start checking names within Rajshahi (first the city, then the district and next few from the division). I would appreciate if @Sminthopsis84: can join the pilot, as he is interested in Bangladesh and not from Bangladesh; we can have a more global perspective from him. – nafSadh did say 15:19, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think that the guideline should clearly state the differences in policy here versus the policy at WP:PLACE, or otherwise say that there are no differences. As I read this, I see no obvious differences, and think this is just a localized guide giving the same information. If I knew what differences were here, if any, then I could more easily comment. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:39, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Will addition of this paragraph work? nafSadh did say 16:05, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This guideline is derived from WP:PLACE to explains some localized nuances. It does not supplement aforementioned guideline. An important notion is, WP:BDPLACE distinguishes administratively defined territories from more natural localities.

Nafsadh Something like that would work. This does seem to supplement WP:PLACE when talking about Bangladeshi places, so that part is a little confusing, and also this guideline does more than what this box says because it also covers Bangla to English transliteration. What about just saying "This guideline is derived from WP:PLACE to explain some localized nuances in Bangladesh and Bangla language." Is that correct? If so, then I support. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:59, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds right. Thanks Bluerasberry. Can you update the guideline to add this? nafSadh did say 18:08, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Started working on the pilot. Check the log. Can someone just fill in the old name column? Then others can work on the names and fill other columns with updates. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 10:07, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is unclear to me why this RFC was not announced at the talk page of the more general guideline, i.e. at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). The present draft guideline says that it is "derived from" the more general one, and therefore editors at the more general one might want to check whether it is derived correctly.Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:22, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The talk originally took place at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Proposal_for_WP:NCGN#Bangladesh and a decision was made to fork its own page. A RfC was posted on relevant places and was active until 18th May 2018. nafSadh did say 13:49, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.