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Proposals, November 2012

2010s Hindi-language film stubs

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I propose that the {{2010s-Hindi-film-stub}} sort the films into Category:2010s Hindi-language film stubs instead of directly into Category:Hindi-language film stubs. See the latter category for similar stub types for other decades. --Odie5533 (talk) 09:05, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

I won't support this until the template has at least 60 transclusions. It currently has four so should remained upmerged. SeveroTC 20:59, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm not done sorting, but there are now 90 transclusions for the template. --Odie5533 (talk) 03:11, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
In future it would be wise to wait until 60 has been passed, or in the proposal note that you are sorting them and request conditional on 60 being passed. Now we have more than 60, it's fine. SeveroTC 07:07, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
There are 118 now, so support, but note that some of those tagged are not what I would call a stub: by WP:STUB a stub has only a few sentences, or a couple of paragraphs, of prose text. --Qetuth (talk) 04:54, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
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Category Prehistoric Chondrostei stubs

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Hi fellows. Days ago I proposed the creation of the category:Chondrostei stubs, which now exists. Looking further into it, some things happen: 1) there are several extinct species included (Template Palaeonisciformes: 88 stubs; Template Perleidiformes: 24 stubs); 2) I am curating stubs from the overcrowded category:Prehistoric bony fish stubs and more extinct Chondrostei will be joining the category. What about creating a category:Prehistoric Chondrostei stubs? Regards, --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 15:00, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know about this one: generally the stub cats should follow the main cats patterns where they can. There doesn't seem to be a Category:Prehistoric Chondrostei, although I do notice that 6 of the 8 orders under Chondrostei are extinct. Also, the entire Category:Chondrostei tree has less than 200 articles, it hardly seems worth splitting if that is it. (note: can't get toolserver to work right now) --Qetuth (talk) 04:21, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
True, there is not (yet) any category:Prehistoric Chondrostei; all "prehistoric Chondrostei" articles are placed under the portmanteau category:Prehistoric bony fish, as a parallel categorization to the category:Chondrostei. A category:Prehistoric Chondrostei can be created as well (and it would include at least 112 articles, see this search result). Regards, --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 11:58, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
category:Prehistoric Chondrostei created - maybe time to create a category:Prehistoric Chondrostei stubs now...? --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 02:16, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
By catscan, there are 130 templates tagged with one of the 4 templates that would go into this category, leaving only 31 in the one of the parents. I'm not exactly opposed, but I'm not sure whether it's the best option - What is your opinion on instead making Category:Palaeonisciformes stubs with 88 of the 161? And still bringing the P.r-ff stubs cat down under 500. Are there more Chondrostei to come? --Qetuth (talk) 04:47, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Qetuth is making an interesting proposal. Yes, we'd better first create the Category:Palaeonisciformes stubs and then let the creation of the category:Prehistoric Chondrostei stubs wait until there are enough non-prehistoric Chondrostei stubs to justify the existence of both Chondrostei-related stub categories. --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 17:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Norway-journalist-stub

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I tried to stub-sort a Norwegian journalist, but that wasn't as easy as I'm used to. A scan of Norwegian people stubs and Journalist stubs, showed me that there are 22 articles that could fit such a template and there is probably more if I dig deeper. I am proposing a speedy creation (S2) of Template:Norway-journalist-stub as an upmerged template, just like Template:Spain-journalist-stub and Template:Sweden-journalist-stub, where the articles is members of Category:Norwegian writer stubs and Category:European journalist stubs. Mentoz86 (talk) 14:26, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Support - take a look at this quick scan: more than 150 stub articles. Definitely needs a separate Category:Norwegian journalist stubs as well. --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 14:54, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
And I would further support the creation of other stub categories:

These are all speediable once the tag has been applied (I notice that only 3/72 Swedish journalists stubs have {{Sweden-journalist-stub}}). {{India-journalist-stub}} / Category:Indian journalist stubs is also viable - scan --Qetuth (talk) 01:22, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
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Prehistoric Perciformes stubs

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Hi fellows. I am going through the category:Prehistoric bony fish stubs and comparing it with the category:Perciformes stubs and its subcategories. If we look at this search it is easy to see that there are a lot of Perciformes-related articles marked with the template:paleo-rayfinned-fish-stub (notice that the category:Prehistoric ray-finned fish stubs is overpopulated, no surprise, as the order Perciformes is very, very big). Further: I am undertaking the job of curating several stubs included in the category:Prehistoric ray-finned fish stubs which, according to this useful link, should be classified as "Perciformes stubs". So, in short: I propose to create the category:Prehistoric Perciformes stubs, as a subcategory both to category:Perciformes stubs and to category:Prehistoric ray-finned fish stubs. What do you say? Regards, --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 19:55, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Support - seems fine. --Epipelagic (talk) 05:24, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Category created. --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 14:50, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
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Ophidiiformes stubs

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Hi there. If we just take a look at the Category:Ophidiiformes it is easy to see that there are enough stubs to make a new Category:Ophidiiformes stubs (see this search: 130 articles!) and the corresponding Template:Ophidiiformes-stub. What do you say? Regards, --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 00:39, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks good to me. --Qetuth (talk) 01:16, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Category and template created. And, as well, I decided to create the Template:Bythitidae-stub and the Template:Ophidiidae-stub (both included in the new Category:Ophidiiformes stubs), because they refer to two very big families, which could eventually deserve each a separate stub category. --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 02:52, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
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Chondrostei stubs

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Hi people. I am going through the category:Chondrostei, category:Prehistoric bony fish stubs, and category:Prehistoric ray-finned fish stubs. Among the articles there happen to be a lot of relatively small orders which share in common the fact of being all Chondrostei. What about creating a Category:Chondrostei stubs? It could include a new Template:Chondrostei-stub and also the existing Template:Palaeonisciformes-stub. Furthermore, look at this search: 77 results. Regards, --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 21:34, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Seems okay to me. --Epipelagic (talk) 22:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Category and template created. And now, there are over 100 stubs there. --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 00:40, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
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Animation shorts

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In making sure all the stub-class articles in {{WikiProject Animation}} are properly tagged, I have ended up adding {{animation-film-stub}} to a lot of of animated short films. I propose the creation of a new stub tag ({{animation-short-film-stub}}) to better classify these articles. The corresponding sub-category (once count > 60) would be a child of both Category:Animated film stubs (currently 567 articles) and Category:Short film stubs (currently 692 articles). Fortdj33 (talk) 17:16, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good, but would {{short-animation-film-stub}} be better? All the other short film subcats keep short at the front, and it sounds a bit more natural. --Qetuth (talk) 04:02, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Would it also be worth it to create a redirect for Template:Short-animated-film-stub, similar to Template:Animated-film-stub? It would make it a little easier to change the stubs by hand, 20:40, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
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Genera split under Category:Carabidae stubs

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Propose adding the following templates and categories:

Dawynn (talk) 13:07, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Synuchus is listed in both Platyninae and Harpalinae lists: The article has the former as parent cat but the latter in its infobox. Otherwise, support, and either parent Category:Synuchus stubs with both until it is sorted out, or leave under common parent Category:Carabidae stubs. --Qetuth (talk) 04:11, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:21, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Tadla-Azilal geography stubs

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Speedy request. To pick up {{TadlaAzilal-geo-stub}} (88 P). Dawynn (talk) 11:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Support --Qetuth (talk) 03:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
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Split of Category:Diptera stubs

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Category:Diptera stubs is now oversized. Requesting exploratory templates with potential categories. The page counts shown here are the number of pages in the perm category, not necessarily the number that classify as stubs:

Will wait to create categories until article count > 60. Dawynn (talk) 16:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Support --Qetuth (talk) 03:58, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:18, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
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Indian Assembly Constituencies / Indian Elections

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I'm not sure exactly how many of the above should be instituted, but I have noticed a large number of stubs for Indian State Assembly Constituencies. I would have expected there to be a stub tree like this: Asian election stubs > Indian election stubs > Indian electoral districts / Indian assembly constituencies. Seems like only the "Asian election stubs" category currently exists. I would propose at the very least creating India politics or Indian Elections. But there are probably at least 500-1000 stubs just related to Indian constituencies / electoral districts (someone from WikiProject India might want to weigh in on the appropriate category name - I'm not familiar enough with the terminology, but as far as I can tell an Assembly constituency is a type of electoral district). Currently those that are stub tagged are tagged with a mixture of Indian government stub or local district geography stub. Here are a handful of articles which could be marked with these categories:

-0x0077BE (talk) 22:45, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Around 600 I reckon with a good deal of that untagged: in the category tree of Category:Constituencies in India, there are 245 tagged articles and 389 articles untagged and smaller than 2kb. This is more than enough for {{India-election-stub}} and Category:Indian election stubs (so named as it's a catch-all category for Indian elections and so follows stub type naming protocol). The category can go straight into Category:Asian election stubs and Category:India stubs. I could put all these articles through my bot to make the tagging easy. SeveroTC 16:18, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
I've never done this before - will someone from the Stub Sorting project make one of these stub templates, or is it supposed to be me who makes it? I'm not sure I know how to do that, but I can probably figure it out. The bot idea sounds good to me, Severo. --0x0077BE (talk) 17:57, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I can sort it (although anyone *can* do it) but it won't be for a week or so I'd guess when I find the time. To make a stub, we use {{asbox}} and {{Stub category}} to make the category :) SeveroTC 21:40, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Support all. And I can help with the sorting, once this weekend is past - just tell me what needs doing. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:17, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
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Category:New Zealand educator stubs

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I propose creating Category:New Zealand educator stubs/{{NewZealand-edu-bio-stub}} (based on Category:Educator stubs/{{edu-bio-stub}}) - a scan finds 252 stubs for this category; as the parent category Category:New Zealand people stubs, which I believe currently hosts most of these, is still over 1000 stubs (as of when I wrote this proposal - I'm still trying to sort it into other possible sub categories), I think we should go for this. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:05, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Support - this one is a good idea, and there are probably some other countries that could use such a tag also. I suspect a lot of educator stubs aren't tagged as such, but don't have time to investigate right now. --Qetuth (talk) 12:46, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
A scan tells me that the US has 377 stubs, and a similar UK scan finds 190. (These countries were chosen since they are likely to have the highest numbers; oddly, NZ has significantly more than the UK.) עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:47, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Ooh, that's a nicer catscan for this than the one I've been using. The same scan with other countries found a couple more with >60, so propose expanded proposal:
I think having looked through some of the search results that there will be quite a few where the 'educator' cat is a fairly minor part of why the person is notable so might not need these tags. There are so many New Zealand ones because of the way the importing from Dictionary of New Zealand Biography was done. --Qetuth (talk) 03:57, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:16, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
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Category:New Zealand singer stubs

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We now have 63 {{NewZealand-singer-stub}}s, enough for the category. And it will also catch all the {{NewZealand-opera-singer-stub}}s. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 22:31, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Speedy --Qetuth (talk) 12:47, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
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Australian state splits

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Category:Australia stubs have by state splits in subcats, but in the parent it is a random mixture of state, region and city, and some of these are underpopulated with no appropriate parent. Propose:

as parents for exisiting state subcategories and templates, as well as any citys/regions currently directly under Australia.

Additionally, upmerged templates

to populate these and coincidentally diffuse the overly large Category:Australian government stubs

Finally, {{NorthQueensland-geo-stub}}, as it looks like most of existing Category:North Queensland stubs are locations either double stubbed with {{queensland-geo-stub}} or without a geo stub. --Qetuth (talk) 07:57, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Definitely. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 22:00, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support and there's loads of possibilities at AUS state-level further down the line. SeveroTC 17:35, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Mass media stubs by country

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Propose this new parent-only category. Under Category:Mass media stubs, we have a handful of country-based media categories, and its very hit and miss. Propose also creating categories and templates as needed for the larger countries. The categories would collect up the various radio, tv, newspaper, and magazine stub categories and templates for each country.

"Mass media stubs by country"

Should this be under Category:Country Name media stubs or Category:Demonym media stubs? (example, Category:United States media stubs or Category:American media stubs). So far, all but one use the country name. Dawynn (talk) 12:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Support and I think it's better at the denonym. SeveroTC 13:22, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I like the idea of many more national media stubs, although a bit uncertain if some of the smaller/less covered countries in that list are ready for this (PNG, Djibouti, Suriname, and many others on that list will be lucky to have more that one or two mass media stubs). How did you compile the list? I notice it's not all countries, but it's quite a few of them.
For the names, the permcats use demonyms, as do most of the existing children in this tree, so I'd suggest going with that and renaming the existing few. I couldn't find any discussion where country names were decided on for the existing names.
Also note the Category:Broadcasting stubs that exist for 4 countries which largely overlap with these. Would the long term plan be for media to supercede and replace those, or to simply contain them? (For the big three it might be a usful way of subdividing a big media category, not so much with Mexico). --Qetuth (talk) 13:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I started with List of countries by population, and pulled all countries with a population over 500,000. (Sorry, Cape Verde! The chosen number was completely arbitrary) I'd lean toward adding any existing Broadcast categories as sub-categories, but that can be decided on a case-by-case basis. Dawynn (talk) 16:24, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Converted list to Demonyms. Please review list of demonyms. Dawynn (talk) 17:59, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I think Filipino should be Philippine? Otherwise looks good. For the choice of country, ah, that would explain the order. Poor Cape Verde, it's own page puts it over 500k, but on the list it's under.
  • (from the bottom) Western Sahara, Comoros, Equatorial Guinea, Djibouti, Swaziland, Guinea-Bissau and Lesotho have no media or similar maincat, and fairly small stub categories as is. Not sure if it's worth creating these ones, although the population of Lesotho (2.2M) implies the problem might be more lack of wikicoverage in its case.
  • Reunion and Macao are (sort of) subnational and may not have the content to justify this level of split (Hong Kong and Puerto Rico are also on the list, but are far more extensively covered).
  • East Timor has only 5 articles in its whole media tree and less than 80 stubs and so might not be worth making yet.
  • Malta, Iceland, and Belize have much more extensive media categories than many of the included despite their low populations.
And finally, agreed on broadcasting, we can worry about maybe deleting the Mexico one later when everything else is sorted. --Qetuth (talk) 00:41, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Any suggestions on what all should be included here? So far, I'm aiming for :

Anything else I should be looking for? Dawynn (talk) 11:45, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Created {{Mass media stub header}}. Please help improve this template. Dawynn (talk) 13:59, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
{{CountryName-radio-show-stub}}, {{CountryName-radio-bio-stub}} and {{CountryName-journalist-stub}} could be added. What about Journals? Would they count? --Qetuth (talk) 04:52, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
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