Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review/Sukhoi Su-30
Sukhoi Su-30[edit]
One of the more important warplanes of our time, and perhaps the most important of the "Eastern bloc"; Indian Su-30MKIs reputedly kicked USAF F-15s all over the sky (tho the fairness of the exercise is disputed). Definitly something that should be quickly moved up to GA status methinx... - Aerobird Target locked - Fox One! 00:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Kirill Lokshin[edit]
There's still a lot of work to be done here, obviously. In no particular order:
- The lack of references and citations is a major problem.
- Bulleted lists are overused, and should be converted into prose.
- The issue with the subsidiary variant articles needs to be resolved. I wouldn't necessarily advocate merging them in, but they'll need a longer summary section here, at the least.
- Is the "Su-30MK multi-role twin-seater" section supposed to be a sub-section of "Development"?
- There doesn't seem to be any coverage of it's operational use (or, indeed, anything after the development phase).
Once the big problems get fixed, you can turn to copyediting and fiddling with the structure and coverage; but, at the moment, it's a bit premature to consider those. Kirill Lokshin 01:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Askari Mark[edit]
A very good start, but I agree with Kirill Lokshin that there remains further development to be done. Not to duplicate his comments, I would add the following observations:
- An {{Aircraft specifications}} template needs to be added per Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft/page content#Aircraft specifications
- With the wealth of external links, there should be no problem with adding reference citations.
- Information in the article and infobox need to agree: "developed by Russia's Sukhoi Aviation Corporation in 1996" vs. "Introduced 1992".
- Has surprisingly few dates (and those entirely given as the year only) and a moderate amount of internal citations (e.g., lacking on country names like People's Republic of China, systems like fly-by-wire flight controls and axisymmetric nozzles, and roles like interceptor.
- "Irkutsk" is the name of a city and oblast in Russia; the city is where the Irkutsk Aviation Production Association is located. It was privatized as the IRKUT Corporation in 1992 [1] [2] (something that needs to be fixed in the Sukhoi article as well), which is now itself being integrated into the OAK conglomerate.
- The Su-30MKM article should be merged into this article, since the MKM is a minor variant. The Su-30MKI and Su-30MKK, however, are major variants (with extensively modified equipment and avionics), so my feeling is that they could remain as stand-alone articles or be merged into this article. (Both of the variant articles need further work as well.) — Askari Mark (Talk) 03:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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PocklingtonDan[edit]
- "The aircraft is comparable with USA's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and F-15E Strike Eagle." I'm not happy with this sentence. Why is this necessary? Why contrast to a US fighter as opposed to a British, French, Israeli, Chinese or whatever one? You assume US readership. I would remove this sentence. You have already described its role, a US-specific comparison is unnccessary
- As above, sorely lacking cites at present
- As above, more info needed on training, operational use, etc
- The "specifications" section should go in some kind of sidebar rather than being a section of the main article, in my opinion
- "Differential ±15-degree deflection of the engines' axisymmetric nozzles (with turn axes positioned at 32-deg angle to each other) enables pitch/yaw thrust vectoring control" This is all Greek to me. If using concepts like this, you should link to wiki articles on them, introduce a diagram or explain them in-line, in my opinion
I think ideally you need to find smeone with understanding of and access to Russian sources, where you will hopefully find a wealth of information that you can use to expand the article - PocklingtonDan 09:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)