Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Politics, government, and law

The following discussions are requested to have community-wide attention:

Talk:Deep state in the United States

Does the WP:WEIGHT of the currently cited sources support characterizing the concept of a deep state in the United States as a "conspiracy theory" in Wikivoice in the opening sentence? Philomathes2357 (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Genocide of Indigenous peoples

The following text has been added and removed from the article several times over the past couple months. It had been included under the "contemporary examples" section, under the subheading "Israel", and had a {{main article}} link to Palestinian genocide accusation. Should this, or some version of it, be included in this article?

Throughout the extended Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the State of Israel has been accused of committing a genocide against Palestinians. Events such as the Nakba, the Sabra and Shatila massacre, the blockade of the Gaza Strip, the 2014 Gaza War, and the 2023 Israel–Hamas war have been used as examples of evidence for a genocide committed by Israel.^[1] Statements made by Israeli officials have also been described by genocide scholars as dehumanizing the population of Gaza and used as evidence for "genocidal intent."^[2]

-- Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Gigi Hadid

Should we include information about her pro-Palestinian stance and related death threats? -- Tobby72 (talk) 18:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024

Should the "Controversies and incidents" section contain a section on Israel votes and media reports in connection to this which relate to more individuals than expected or individuals which would not usually have voted. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 16:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024

Should this article's lede mention controversies that arose surrounding the song contest? If yes, please explain to what extent, i.e. should it mention that there were controversies in general or should any specific controversies be detailed?

Please note that as a prominent controversy is related to the Israel-Hamas war, it is subject to WP:ARBECR. Accordingly, accounts with fewer than 500 edits and 30 days' tenure may not participate. Any comment violating ARBECR may be removed by any editor, and edit warring will not be tolerated. Please keep the discussion respectful: comment on the matter in question, not on other editors. Thank you. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Censorship by copyright

There are two questions:

Are the cartoons A.) criticizing the specific practice of censoring unwanted speech by abusing copyright, B.) criticizing the general practice of enforcing economic monopolies by copyright, or C.) ambiguous? If B or C, does that mean they should be removed or moved to Criticism of copyright or Copyright abolition?
Should neutrality be achieved by removing the cartoons, or by adding one or two pro-copyright images? Do such images exist and can we find them now?

-- Beland (talk) 01:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Russian Civil War

We seem to have two different ideas about how much information should be in the infobox for this article. Here are the two most recent versions. Which do you prefer? WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Joe Biden

Should Biden's building of a port to facilitate American aid to Palestinians be mentioned in the lead?

Option #1: No.
Option #2: Yes.
Option #3: Aid in general should be mentioned. Not the port itself.

Does it merit inclusion? KlayCax (talk) 20:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Israel–Hamas war

Should we include the following in the lead, directly after listing casualties:

Reports of widespread rape and sexual violence committed by Hamas-led militants emerged. Will Thorpe (talk) 12:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Russo-Ukrainian War

Should Belarus be listed in the infobox (and accordingly described in other parts of this article) concerning the events since 24 February 2022: A) no (as at present); B) as "Supported since 2022 by:

Belarus" (in Russia's side).

Please enter your answer to the question in the Survey section with a brief statement. Please do not respond to the statements of other editors in the Survey section. Back-and-forth discussion is permitted in the Discussion section (that's what it's for).

Note to closer and other participants: this RFC was started because the previous similar RFC (started on 16 March 2024) was closed on 17 May 2024 without a clear consensus regarding options A and B, but the uninvolved closer Compassionate727 stated that "Finally, there seems to be a consensus that if added, Belarus should be added with a note that its support began in 2022, although there is no reason that shouldn't be confirmed in the next RfC, which I assume will be forthcoming shortly". -- Pofka (talk) 20:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Ben Roberts-Smith

Should Ben Roberts-Smith be referred to as war criminal in the first sentence of the lede?

05:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Andy Ngo

Should the first sentence of the lede read that the subject "... is an American right-wing activist and social media influencer, who is known for covering and video-recording demonstrators".

Note: at the time of the writing of this RfC, the first sentence of the lede reads that the subject "... is an American right-wing author and social media influencer, who is known for covering and video-recording demonstrators". Refer to Special:Diff/1222027778 for a record. TarnishedPath^talk 13:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:International Churches of Christ

Is it appropriate to have a section about ongoing court cases involving living people who are not public figures before a conclusion is reached? XZealous (talk) 07:28, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:New York City

Should unsubstantiated superlatives in the lead, such as:

New York is a global center of finance and commerce, culture and tech, entertainment and media, academics and scientific output, and the arts and fashion.
...and is sometimes described as the world's most important city and the capital of the world.
..the most economically powerful city in the world.

be removed from the article? CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 09:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard

What is the reliability of Legal Insurrection for courtroom reporting of legal trials?

Option 1: Generally reliable
Option 2: Additional considerations
Option 3: Generally unreliable
Option 4: Deprecate

Mokadoshi (talk) 04:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Talk:List of states with limited recognition

Should we remove Armenia, China, Cyprus, Israel, Palestine, and North Korea from this article? WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Israel and apartheid

Should the lead include or remove the wikilink to Weaponization of antisemitism in the line "Israel and some of its Western allies have rejected the accusation, with Israel often labeling the charge antisemitic."? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Talk:True North Centre for Public Policy

Should True North be described as "far-right" as it is described in multiple sources? Fred Zepelin (talk) 00:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Havana syndrome

There is ongoing discussion about how to best present the content of the Insider investigative report on a Russian connection to Havana Syndrome. Two versions have been proposed, and we seek wider community input on which should be included in the article. The discussion has raised concerns about the due weight of content relating to allegations of secret weapons use by Russian military intelligence's GRU Unit 29155.

Version 2.1:

On March 31, 2024, The Insider, in collaboration with 60 Minutes and Der Spiegel, published an investigative report reigniting speculation that hostile Russian action was responsible for the syndrome.^[3]^[4] The Kremlin Press Secretary dismissed the report as "nothing more than baseless, unfounded accusations by the media." In response to the report, the White House Press Secretary said that a "foreign adversary is very unlikely." Following the report, several U.S. Senators, including Susan Collins, Jeanne Shaheen, and Mark Warner, sent a letter to the President calling for further investigation into the cause of the anomalous health incidents.

Version 3.1:

On March 31 2024, The Insider, in collaboration with 60 Minutes and Der Spiegel, published an investigative report claiming that the syndrome was caused by actions of Russian military intelligence.^[3]^[4]^[5] The report states that members of the GRU Unit 29155, known for undertaking foreign operations^[4], received awards and promotions for work related to the development and deployment of "non-lethal acoustic weapons", and that telephone and travel data pinpointing the locations of these agents correlated with the timings and locations of Havana Syndrome incidents worldwide.^[6]^[7]^[8]

The Kremlin Press Secretary dismissed the report as "nothing more than baseless, unfounded accusations by the media."^[3] In response to the report, the White House Press Secretary said that a "foreign adversary is very unlikely."^[9]

Following the report, in a letter addressed to the President several U.S. Senators called for further investigations into the causes of the anomalous health incidents.^[10]

Please provide your opinions and rationale for supporting either version 2.1 or 3.1 and please ensure your responses are based on Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines. (FailedMusician (talk) 02:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

^ "The Genocide of the Palestinian People: An International Law and Human Rights Perspective" (PDF). Center for Constitutional Rights. October 2016. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2023-11-02. Retrieved 2023-10-12.
^ Bartov, Omer (10 November 2023). "Opinion | What I Believe as a Historian of Genocide". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Archived from the original on 18 December 2023. Retrieved 16 December 2023.
^ ^a ^b ^c https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-dismisses-report-russia-behind-havana-syndrome-2024-04-01/
^ ^a ^b ^c "Havana syndrome: Report links mystery illness to Russian intelligence unit". www.bbc.com. Retrieved 2024-04-02.
^ Cite error: The named reference guardian-report was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Cite error: The named reference Dobrokhotov was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Cite error: The named reference :3 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Cite error: The named reference SpiegelMarch2024 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Cite error: The named reference us-not-moved was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Chasan, Aliza (2024-04-17). "Senators call for renewed Havana Syndrome assessment after 60 Minutes report - CBS News". www.cbsnews.com. Retrieved 2024-04-24.

[1] "The Genocide of the Palestinian People: An International Law and Human Rights Perspective" (PDF). Center for Constitutional Rights. October 2016. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2023-11-02. Retrieved 2023-10-12.

[Bartov-2] Bartov, Omer (10 November 2023). "Opinion | What I Believe as a Historian of Genocide". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Archived from the original on 18 December 2023. Retrieved 16 December 2023.

[kremlin-dismisses-3] ttps://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-dismisses-report-russia-behind-havana-syndrome-2024-04-01/

[:4-4] "Havana syndrome: Report links mystery illness to Russian intelligence unit". www.bbc.com. Retrieved 2024-04-02.

[guardian-report-5] Cite error: The named reference guardian-report was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[Dobrokhotov-6] Cite error: The named reference Dobrokhotov was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

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[us-not-moved-9] Cite error: The named reference us-not-moved was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[letter-request-senators-10] Chasan, Aliza (2024-04-17). "Senators call for renewed Havana Syndrome assessment after 60 Minutes report - CBS News". www.cbsnews.com. Retrieved 2024-04-24.

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