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    April 21[edit]

    How do I get to be writing for Wikipedia?[edit]

    Writing for Wikipedia 197.231.239.48 (talk) 06:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You may be looking for WP:HOW. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 08:28, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am just a regular user of Wikipedia, i.e. I have no official role or any special authority. That said, before you get too involved in figuring out how to navigate the process of either creating a new article or making significant revisions to an existing article, I'm going to suggest you follow on right here at the Help Desk, looking over questions from others interested in acting as an editor.
    You will commonly see requests for how to go about creating a new article. Frequently, these requests will come from people who are acting on behalf of the subject of the article they are interested in. While this can be done (assuming the notability requirement is met), it often doesn't work out as hoped.
    In addition to looking at the requests currently posted and watching for new questions that come in, you could also look back in the "archived discussions" portion of the Help Desk archives (probably best to change the sorting order to sort by edit date). Reading over these questions might save you, from incorporating content that doesn't have a neutral point of view or from writing an article for which the subject does not meet the specific notability requirements imposed by Wikipedia. (Many people feel very confident that the subject of their article is notable and merits an article, they write an article, and then they're told that no, it doesn't meet these criteria.) I'm not so much trying to discourage you as to help to set your expectations. Fabrickator (talk) 18:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Srila Prabhupada[edit]

    There are sincere experts and followers of srila prabhupada correcting, please allow them to do their duty. They find inconsistencies and correct them however wikipedia then rejects. Allow them to do their duty. chant and be happy!all glories to srila prabhupada!2601:201:897E:A530:652E:877D:6651:BFE5 (talk) 06:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Is this request about A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada? 126.205.254.12 (talk) 07:01, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I guess it's about Cinosaur's recent whitewashing of A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.   Maproom (talk) 07:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If the followers are editing WIkipedia, then their duty is to follow Wikipedia policies. What their duty may be to some other authority is irrelevant to Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 17:55, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, I'll say a bit more: if a Wikipedia editor has a duty to some outside authority that affects their Wikipedia editng, then they have a conflict of interest, and shoould declare that openly, and follow the guidance in the page I just linked to.
    If their duty to the outside authority prevents them from following Wikipedia's policies when they edit Wikipedia, then they should not edit Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 17:59, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Fixing typos on a protected page[edit]

    Should I request on the talk page, or should I request elsewhere when I find a typo? It feels weird doing it for a single comma. 75.142.254.3 (talk) 07:00, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Yes, requesting on the talk page is correct (it's perfectly fine, and encouraged, even if it's just a comma). You can place an edit request template in your request manually (list is at WP:MAKINGEREQ), or use the edit request wizard, which will do that automatically, in order to draw attention to the request. Tollens (talk) 07:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (alternatively, you could describe the issue right here since that's probably easier now.) Tollens (talk) 07:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It was a comma on an article: World Central Kitchen drone strikes
    "Update - Last sentence of diplomatic fallout section.
    From: On 6 April Wong stated that she and Minister for Defence Richard Marles had written to their Israeli equivalents calling for further action to be taken against the individuals responsible for the attack.
    To: On 6 April, Wong stated that she and Minister for Defence Richard Marles had written to their Israeli equivalents calling for further action to be taken against the individuals responsible for the attack.
    Reason: A comma should be after the word April in this case."
    Already posted it there by using an earlier request as the format. Maybe in the future I'll just look for 3 or 4 typos before making the request?
    75.142.254.3 (talk) 07:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed now. You could look for more if you'd like, but there's no harm in making a request for something minor, requests like that are made all the time. Thanks for catching the error! Tollens (talk) 07:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In the UK, children are taught that commas like that (following a fronted adverbial phrase) are necessary. Every decent style guide I've ever read says that they're optional however - use them or don't, it's a stylistic choice. Many of our Featured Articles are written without them, please don't go around adding them willy-nilly to content someone else has written. Girth Summit (blether) 09:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, thanks! I had no idea. I guess it's more than just the UK. It looks like that article is split roughly 50/50 with regard to using or not using the comma. Looking through the paragraph that change was in, there is another instance which doesn't, so I'll self-revert. Tollens (talk) 09:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Without the comma it is possible to read that April Wong made the statement. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't have any problem with the addition in this case. I've just seen situations where someone starts dropping punctuation bombs on FAs that have just been through a lengthy review because they disagree on the stylistic choices made by the authors and half-dozen reviewers. I typically use them myself when I'm writing, but if the only reason for adding a comma is because a fronted adverbial phrase and they must be followed by a comma, I would urge people not to bother. Girth Summit (blether) 10:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Cite error at Lalu Prasad Yadav[edit]

    Can anyone remove red link from the citation number 55 and 67. Admantine123 (talk) 09:55, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Admantine123: If you use {{Cite journal}} you MUST include the |journal= parameter. Temporarily I've changed the {{Cite journal}} to {{Citation}} to get rid of the red, but knowledgeable input is required to select the correct Cite XXX template. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you fix it, I tried myself but wasn't successful. Admantine123 (talk) 10:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Follow the doi link to the journal publisher and oddly enough you will find the journal title. In these two cases, someone thought it a good idea to concatenate the journal title onto the article title. Don't do that. Also, in both cases, the values assigned to |first= and |last= were swapped. Don't do that.
    Changing {{cite journal}} to {{citation}} just to rid yourself of a meddlesome error message does not serve the readers who consume our citations using the metadata. In this case, the missing |journal= causes {{citation}} to render a book-style reference and book-encoded metadata; both of which are wrong. Don't do that.
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Stable and shorter URL's[edit]

    Hello, I was wondering, and hoping, that Wikipedia has some sort of provision to shorten very long URLs Not long ago I tried using an online resource that shortens, and presumably stabilizes, incredibly long urls, but when I attempted to post this source, with the shorter URL in an article's Bibliography, a warning message resulted, in bold red letters, saying that this shortened url is blocked. Is this always the rule? Presently I am trying to list a book source, but its url is 360 (!) characters long, and is no doubt very unstable. Any help along this line would be greatly appreciated. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:36, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Gwillhickers, it is rare to need such a long url for a book. Can you give us an example of the one you are trying to use. There may be a more direct way to access it. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    StarryGrandma — Yes, such a lengthy url for a book is rare indeed.The URL in question is for a PDF version of the book. I'm simply going to use the plain 'google book', with a practical url, (aprox 30 characters) and let the readers if they so chose to select the PDF file themselves This is the url in question
    https://books.googleusercontent.com/books/content?req=AKW5QacfFtI0jPcRseeGF94PT6X-2lwXDqTFMbEV_SOvJpGrUT6kqtetpHujeiMhoKCuC8YZbJuZv5tyKTqgrDMlc3cK3iiyI9xJZjw4DJ1vvtwmzveejuWNm38TRqS0zVaC_4T8-O89ZZByFSdRc1HtC-OSrZFNjGbeqGNkuyOSJLlBM6vS6GtxRnGMTbouHSc2OOR5Yq8hLZG50y8OzVqplXxT59-wXEunFBmGLXxgWJv6VCzc8swR2vHophDlotBTV_11nCCcn8vSLcecPere-wjXPSw4BkLi9nBElJMjhatqXCE9ns8
    In any case, it would be nice to know of a way to shorten URLs which can be used on WP with no issues. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello, Gwillhickers. Note that in most cases, a URL is not an essential part of a citation, but a convenience for the reader. The important content is the bibliographic information like title, author, publisher, date, page etc. If you have given all that information, then if the URL rots, it should be relatively easy to find a working version (assuming the book is available on the internet at all). ColinFine (talk) 20:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ColinFine — In passing I've lost count of the times where a reviewer has made an issue about not being able to link to the source in question, which is the only way to determine if the citation is accurate for any given statement(s). GA's and FA's routinely have their sources with links included. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gwillhickers: Url shorteners are disallowed in Wikipedia for good reasons. Do not use them even if you find one which isn't blacklisted yet. They do not stabilize links. They redirect to a fixed url. If that url stops working then the url shortener keeps redirecting to it anyway. Here are some of the disadvantages of using a url shortener:
    • The Wikipedia:Spam blacklist could be bypassed by linking to a redirect at a url shortener instead of a blacklisted site.
    • Special:Linksearch and other tools cannot be used to find links to a site if they go via a url shortener. If a website moves or reorganizes their url's, we often use such tools to locate and fix all links to the site, so our links would become less reliable with url shorteners. If a website closes, we can look for alternatives.
    • If the url shortener closes or is down then the link is dead and you cannot see where it was supposed to go even if the original target still works fine.
    • Readers cannot see where they will end up if they hover over a link before clicking it.
    • Readers may be tracked by a company running a url shortener.
    PrimeHunter (talk) 21:25, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    PrimeHunter Thanks. Blacklisting, etc, is all I really wanted to confirm. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:32, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The only URL shortener we allow is https://w.wiki (only usable for URLs on WMF wikis). —Kusma (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And allowing it just means it's not blacklisted. It shouldn't be used in articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Problems with another user[edit]

    A user has labelled legitimate sources as "garbage propaganda", "left-wing", "dumb propaganda" and "absurd" I was wondering what the best course of action was? I have started a request for discussion for one of these issues on an article but under the block log they have previous for "Personal attacks or violations of the harassment policy" and I don't want to see a repeat. Most of the edit summaries they give are not helpful either. LouisOrr27 (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    LouisOrr27 — Yes, I've encountered such criticisms, from both the left and the right. Trying to claim that a source is not reliable simply by referring to it as "right wing", "left wing", extremist, exaggerated, etc, is only a superficial criticism. If it can be shown that a source is actually in error, etc, then that is the way to deal with any given issue. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One criticism of the BBC is not, or anyway not directly (and certainly not solely), about its "wing", but rather its alleged propensity for "making up rubbish and telling lies". -- Hoary (talk) 23:52, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The BBC is held as being a reliable source. Mjroots (talk) 09:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Mjroots, perhaps I should have highlighted the word alleged. -- Hoary (talk) 09:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    This seems to refer to 2024 Women's Six Nations Championship. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    April 22[edit]

    Hare krsna[edit]

    "if you go into the profile of the person, let's say Tamal KG in Wikipedia, Wikipedia allow you to correct and write what you find most correct but then ultimately they are the ones who decide whether to accept the correction or not." Robert baron3888 (talk) 01:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    If you have a question or request, Robert baron3888, then please ask/make it lucidly. (And don't tinker with other's comments.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    some sincere followers and experts who represent srila prabhupada make corrections and then the correction are reverted back to the original. Robert baron3888 (talk) 02:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Robert baron3888, Wikipedia articles are meant to be written with a neutral, objective, third-party point of view. People closely connected to or having a strong feeling, negative or positve, about a subject may be unable to do so, and accordingly get reverted. Please use the talk page of the article in question to discuss edits, such as when they get reverted. If an editor represents the interests of a subject, they should WP:DISCLOSE their conflict of interest as instructed before they engage with the topic, whether it be editing the article or discussing it on the talk page or elsewhere. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Robert baron3888, are you asking why it is that (i) some sincere followers and experts who represent Srila Prabhupada make corrections and then (ii) the corrections are reverted back to the original? If so, then (i) maybe out of a desire to inform, maybe out of a desire to promote. (Either way, Usedtobecool explains above what these people must do.) (ii) Perhaps because the "correction" was promotional, inadequately referenced, or incomprehensible; perhaps for some other reason. Please point to an example of such reversion. -- Hoary (talk) 04:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    if you go into the profile of the person, let's say Tamal KG in Wikipedia, Wikipedia allow you to correct and write what you find most correct but then ultimately they are the ones who decide whether to accept the correction or not. Robert baron3888 (talk) 06:12, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hansadutta Swami
    This needs to be corrected. So allow the correction to be made please. Robert baron3888 (talk) 06:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Robert baron3888, you are free to improve Hansadutta Swami yourself, as long as your improvement accords with Wikipedia policies. Be sure to cite reliable sources and to provide an informative edit summary. -- Hoary (talk) 06:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Haggerty Award correction[edit]

    I don't know who writes or edits the Haggerty Award page on Wikipedia, but our association is appreciative. An update/correction is needed on the page. The NIT no longer co-presents the Haggerty Award. The NIT affiliation with the award was discontinued after 2021. The Met Basketball Writers Association is now the sole presenter of the award. Thank you MBWA president 67.86.4.111 (talk) 01:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello. You can see the usernames of the various people who have edited the article Haggerty Award by looking at its "history".
    Unfortunately for you, your question has had the unforeseen consequence of me examining the article and questioning whether it should be in Wikipedia at all. As far as I can see not a single one of the references is about "The Haggerty Award" as opposed to individual winners - and without such references, it does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability.
    To answer your question more directly: you are welcome to make suggestions for edits to the article using the edit request wizard. But in my opinion, anything you do other than finding a source where somebody wholly unconnected with the award has chosen to write at some depth about the award itself (not its winners) will be a waste of time. See golden rule for the criteria that any such source must meet. ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There's always Justapedia. Fabrickator (talk) 13:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Deletion of entry on Orange Mound Tower[edit]

    Hi! I received the following message from an editor, and would really appreciate tips on neutrality and updating the attempted entry to be in the guidelines of Wikipedia. I'm a student attempting to give the subject its due writing, not promote the work being done. Thanks in advance!

    Hello, I'm REDACTED403. I wanted to let you know that one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Orange Mound, Memphis—has been undone because it appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thank you. -REDACTED403 (talk) 12:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi, thank you for taking a look at the page! May I ask you note specific instances, and what shifts in language, I can make to make it neutral? It is definitely not my intention too as I am student looking to expand the canon on particular types of architecture, and through this, I have nominated Orange Mound Tower.
    Thanks! Harmonytheestudent (talk) 19:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

    — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harmonytheestudent (talk • contribs) 05:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Harmonytheestudent, some samples: Unapologetic, founded by producer IMAKEDMADBEATS, also known as James Duke, is an art collective based in Memphis, Tennessee, consisting of visual artists, musicians, clothing designers, event coordinators, and strategists that herald an artist-first platform, allowing talent a part of the collective to express authentic artistic and cultural synergy that is not typically found inside traditional labels.
    I don't understand what it is that they herald (or that it heralds}. But it's only tenuously about a neighborhood, so it doesn't belong here.
    Unapologetic is comprised of four teams: Unapologetic. Sound, Unapologetic. Visual, Unapologetic. Garments, and The Unapologetic World App.
    More about something that isn't a neighborhood.
    TONE and Unapologetic have voiced their intention to transform the former industrial space into a mixed-use hub for community arts, business, and innovation, among other ideas. In a July 2021 interview with the Commercial Appeal, Victoria Jones, co-founder, stated, “We want to build out something that could serve all needs, or as many needs as possible in one space.” She went on to add, “We will have retail and service providers, nonprofits, art organizations, a wellness center. We want to be the thing that can truly empower and fill the potholes that exist in Black communities.”
    Bluntly, we're minimally interested in intentions, except perhaps when these intentions have been described by people independent of those who harbor them. (And interviews don't count.)
    Incidentally, while I'm sure that Jones wanted to say that the thing should truly both {empower and {fill the potholes that exist in}} Black communities, she ends up seeming to aspire to empowering potholes. So if what she says is worth expressing here (which I doubt), I suggest that you summarize it in your own, less awkward words.
    Et cetera. All the best with the revision! -- Hoary (talk) 04:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    [edit]

    I am trying to change my company (Metropolitan Oval)'s logo on the page from the incorrect red, low-res logo to a high-res correct logo that can be found at the top of the page here --> [1]. I keep getting an error message when editing the logo saying that Wikipedia can't verify that I own the logo. While I personally do not own the logo, I am in possession of a high-res correct version and feel that it is important to update it. Is there any work-around to this issue? Anthony42710 (talk) 04:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi Anthony42710. If the logo is essentially as the one currently being used with only minor changes (e.g changing the color from red to black), you can try just updating the current file clicking on "Update a new version of this file" at File:Met Oval Logo.png; however, the current file is uploaded as non-free content, which means it's use needs to comply with Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. There are ten non-free content use criteria and one of these criteria is criterion #3 which deals with things like file size and resolution. Wikipedia, in priciple, only allows low-resolution versions of non-free content to be uploaded as explained here. If you upload a new version of the logo that is too be or too high in resolution, someone (a WP:BOT or human editor) will re-size it and reduce it's resolution so that it complies with relevant policy. If the logo you want to upload is quite different than the one currently being used, you should probably upload it as a new file and you can request that someone do this for you at WP:FFU.
    Now, having posted that, it's quite possible that current logo is actually too simple to be eligible for copyright protection under US copyright law; so, if the new version you want to upload is also essentially the same, then it too would most likely be too simple for copyright protection. In such a case, the new version should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons instead of Wikipedia because Commons is better suited to host such content. You might want first ask about this c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright just to see what some others think. If the prevailing opinion is that the new version is too simple, you can upload it using c:Commons:Upload under a copyright license of c:Template:PD-logo.
    Finally, since you've stated you're an employee of Metropolitan Oval, you should carefully read through Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure before trying to make any edits to any content about the company on Wikipedia. Your connection to the company doesn't matter so much to Commons, but it does matter quite a bit to Wikipedia and there are some limitations as to what you can do. The more you understand about these limitations, the less likely you're going g\find yourself running into problems. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    May you please help me propose a merge?[edit]

    I'm not sure where to start proposing a merge and starting a discussion. I would like to propose the article emailSanta.com be merged into Santa Claus under the section "Letter writing". Could someone please help me set up the discussion, including adding the appropriate templates? Thanks! Félix An (talk) 07:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Félix An the instructions for merging are at WP:MERGE. Why do you want to merge the articles? If emailSanta.com is notable, the article is long enough to stand alone and if it is not notable, you could nominate it at WP:Articles for deletion. TSventon (talk) 11:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See WP:MERGE. However, I don't recommend it for this particular case. The website is independently notable and worthy of a standalone article. Sources include a New York Times article. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    about posting an article[edit]

    Hello. Can I create a Wikipedia article in different styles? Do I have to create an article again to add English and Russian to the article I created in Azerbaijani, or can I add different languages to the article I created in Azerbaijani? Hasanagha Asadov (talk) 10:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello. Every different language version of Wikipedia is an independent project, with its own rules and procedures. Articles on the same subject in different languages can be straight translations - but only if they meet the policies of both language versions. Sometimes they start as straight translations, but get edited independently; sometimes they are created completely indpendently of one another.
    If you have written an article in az-wiki, you are welcome to translate it into English for en-wiki. But en-wiki's policies are stricter than many others, and you may find that the subject is acceptable in az-wiki, but does not meet en-wiki's criteria for notability: it depends on the quality of the sources.
    Please see translation for more information.
    As for translating to ru-wiki: You'd need to ask there. ColinFine (talk) 11:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for your prompt responce. Can I create multiple drafts on my profile? Hasanagha Asadov (talk) 11:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You can create multiple drafts, as sub-pages of your user page. (Wikipedia doesn't have "profiles". ) Maproom (talk) 13:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Hasanagha Asadov: (edit conflict) You can create multiple drafts in your user space. Just enter "User:Hasanagha Asadov/name of topic" in the search box, and click the "Start the page ..." prompt to create each draft. Deor (talk) 13:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, but I suggest you don't create drafts in multiple languages in the same Wikipedia: as far as I know, there are no tools to move a page from one Wikipedia to another, so it would be much better to create each your user pages of that language Wikipedia. In English Wikipedia, you can have as many user subpages (or personal sandboxes) as you want. I'm guessing that you can do that in any other Wikipedia as well. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    twinkle unblock screwup[edit]

    I used Twinkle to unblock here, and it's showing up in the block log but not on the page? What did I forget to do? Valereee (talk) 13:47, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Use of Wikipedia photos[edit]

    I would like to use Wikipedia photos for a book I have written. I do not plan to use more than 10 or 12 photos. Can this be done? Is there a charge? Do I need written permission? 2601:586:CD00:7F90:856A:E8B5:6A2F:10DE (talk) 14:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Most photos on Wikipedia are under a license that allows for reuse for any purpose if attribution is given. You can click on the photo to see the exact license terms. Some photos are used under non-free use, which means there is no right to reuse the photos. For photos in that case, you would need to contact the copyright holder directly for permission. RudolfRed (talk) 14:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    RUdolfRed's answer is right. For more information, see reusing Wikipedia content. ColinFine (talk) 16:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Sportsfan 1234[edit]

    Sock. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    Hello there! I need your help. A guy named Sportsfan 1234 continues to investigate sockpuppets of the other account named Raymarcbadz and insist the admins to block all the socks. The editing of Olympic-related articles has been a major issue since June. He favored the users to ban me from editing. Yet, he continues to baffle the socks and the sockmaster without any further reason. He never replies nor entertains my questions and comments. He destroyed the reputation of the user who spent 16 years of editing Wikipedia articles. We need your help to stop this nonsensical issue. Thank you! DayangHirang4405 (talk) 14:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @DayangHirang4405, the place to bring complaints about editor behavior is WP:ANI. Be sure to read and follow the directions at the top. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 16:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    When citing a source in a foreign language, do I have to translate the quote being cited, or leave it in in its original language?[edit]

    For example, I want to cite this article about the Consulate.

    I can cite like this,[1] with the "quote" part left in French


    Or I can do this,[2] and leave my own translation next to the original quote


    Or I can do it this way,[3] and only keep my translation


    Is there a rule for this? BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 17:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    This is a good question. I'm looking at Wikipedia:Citing sources, and not finding anything specific to this situation. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE is the only advice I can find. It seems to say you need both. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:17, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see. So, you approve of a citation like this?[4] BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 19:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @BetweenCupsOfTea: Use the |trans-quote= parameter for the translation, though (without the parentheses). The ref should look like this.[5] (Note that the closing quotation mark is correctly positioned.)
    @Deor: Thank you! BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 15:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    References

    1. ^ Menichetti, Johan (2013). "L'écriture de la constitution de l'An VIII : quelques réflexions sur l'échec d'un mécanisme révolutionnaire". Napoleonica La Revue (in French). 18 (3): 68. doi:10.3917/napo.133.0068. ISSN 2100-0123. "Ensuite, elle est la première constitution écrite à laquelle n'est pas associée une Déclaration des Droits."
    2. ^ Menichetti, Johan. « L'écriture de la constitution de l'An VIII : quelques réflexions sur l'échec d'un mécanisme révolutionnaire », Napoleonica. La Revue, vol. 18, no. 3, 2013, pp. 68-83 "Ensuite, elle est la première constitution écrite à laquelle n'est pas associée une Déclaration des Droits. (In addition, it is the first constitution written to which is not affixed a declaration of rights)"
    3. ^ Menichetti, Johan (2013). "L'écriture de la constitution de l'An VIII : quelques réflexions sur l'échec d'un mécanisme révolutionnaire". Napoleonica La Revue (in French). 18 (3): 68. doi:10.3917/napo.133.0068. ISSN 2100-0123."In addition, it is the first constitution written to which is not affixed a declaration of rights"
    4. ^ "A site". Cela est une phrase en français (This is a sentence in French)
    5. ^ "A site". Cela est une phrase en français. [This is a sentence in French.]

    Referencing errors on Carpaine[edit]

    Reference help requested. How to edit added references Thanks, KaraBlank (talk) 17:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    hold on, oi think I've about got it. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've got it basically functional, probably the autor's name should be added as well, how to do that and other uses of the template are at Template:Cite journal/doc. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Correction[edit]

    On 4/22/2024 in the 'Did you know' segment it was written:

    I PROMISE you a member of the military DOES NOT 'Win" the Medal of Honor! It is not a Contest! They are Awarded the MOH! They are presented with the MOH! They DID NOT WIN it! A little respect please. Thank you, Lance McAfee Lance McAfee (talk) 17:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    This really is not a help desk question. I'd suggest posting at Talk:Main_Page#Current_DYK as I do think you have a valid point. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You know what, I just went ahead and changed it to "was awarded" [2]. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Username checks out, as they say on Reddit. —Tamfang (talk) 23:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Lost my article[edit]

    Hello -- I uploaded an article several weeks ago but can't find it or its status. I hardly know what questions to ask! Many thanks in advance. FranCeska708 (talk) 17:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The only page creation I see from you is at User:FranCeska708/sandbox. You should probably use the articles for creation process to get it moved into article space. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It appeard to be the only WP:REDLINK at New York University#Schools and leadership. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Believe it or not, I'm trying to follow instructions. I work at NYU, my assignment is to create this page but I can't figure it out! Many of our peer schools -- at NYU and beyond -- have Wiki pages so I know it's possible. When I added those two paragraphs I thought I was creating a new page for someone to approve. What is my next step, please? I read through your articles for creation link but was stymied a few steps in. *Thank you.* FranCeska708 (talk) 17:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh, well, the first thing you need to do before even trying to proceed is to read and comply with Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And, on second thought, given the situation, maybe post your proposed text at Talk:New York University, being sure to include some references, and a neutral third party can review it. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    FranCeska708. Based on your statement that you work at NYU and were assigned to write this article, then your next step is to comply with the Paid contributions disclosure. This is mandatory. You also should read WP:BOSS. User:FranCeska708/sandbox is entirely unreferenced and so fails the core content policy of Verifiability. It cannot possibly be accepted into this encyclopaedia in its current form. You should read and study Your first article. You will need to find significant coverage of this school in reliable sources that are entirely independent of NYU. Just because similar articles may exist does not mean this one should. Wikipedia has 6,815,398 articles and many of them are of poor quality and in danger of being deleted. We do not need any new poor quality articles, so strive for excellence. Cullen328 (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for your reply, Cullen. I have slogged through many, many Wikipedia pages. I understand that connections need to be disclosed. But there are no independent sources writing about our school because we're new and obscure! If that means we don't get an article, so be it. I just figured I'd try to post first and correct mistakes afterward. (It's frustrating! If this process were smoothly delineated dya think I'd be asking goofy questions?) FranCeska708 (talk) 18:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @FranCeska708: "there are no independent sources writing about our school because we're [...] obscure" - in that case, the topic fails to meet the criteria at WP:N and your draft will not be published. The best you can hope for is a sentence in the main NYU article - which you apparently already have. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    OK; I've looked it over. I wanted to see where it appeared on the pages of other NYU schools. I see it nowhere on the page for NYU Wagner. Where is theirs? FranCeska708 (talk) 18:20, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    FranCeska708, please note that article has seven references. Your draft has none. Please also note that article is unassessed. If you want to model your article on another one, then select a Good article. Cullen328 (talk) 18:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @FranCeska708, what do you mean by "it" and "theirs"? What are you looking for in that article? 57.140.16.48 (talk) 18:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Citations tool[edit]

    At the bottom of a page I am editing, underneath the edit description, all the way to the right of the blue Publish changes button, I have a button that says ☑️ Citations. I think it might be from a script I installed, but I'm not sure. In any case, when it is working, it can take text such as

    * {{ cite book | isbn=978-1556196027}}

    and fill in most of the other fields associated with that ISBN. Often, however, it just errors, and I can't figure out what the issue is. At least once it failed one night and then worked on exactly the same text the next morning. So maybe it's just really glitchy on their end?

    The text I get when it isn't working just says "Error: citations request failed".

    Thanks! — Patrick (talk) 18:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Patrick, that looks like Wikipedia:Citation expander, which I haven't tried. TSventon (talk) 23:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, it looks like that was it! My NoScript extension was breaking it. Many thanks! Cheers, Patrick (talk) 00:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Reconcile God's attributes in African Traditional Religion and Natural Theology[edit]

    for a dissertation One big Tboy (talk) 22:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello. This page is for asking for general help in how to contribute to Wikipedia. It is not apparent what your question is. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 22:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If the question is can we write a dissertation on Reconciling God's attributes in African Traditional Religion and Natural Theology, we can't. TSventon (talk) 22:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We can't, but you might find some useful ideas and resources in the article African religion and natural theology ColinFine (talk) 09:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood[edit]

    Please fix up reference number 39, it is in red colour. Thank you. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 23:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The issue seems to have been that they used {{citejournal}} but did not include the actual nae of the journal, which is required. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    April 23[edit]

    broken links[edit]

    List of spacecraft in the Culture series

    is deleted, breaking links here:

    list of links

    Wikitardotron (talk) 02:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The whole page was moved from Wikipedia to the following wiki, and it has undergone updates since the move:
    https://theculture.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_spacecraft
    So you should ideally adjust links to point to the new home above.
    As for links breaking, and the sheer number of places that had that as a hardcoded link to Wikipedia... that's a shame. I advise cursing link rot and then trying to just fix all of them if you care enough, because the information has not been deleted, merely moved. Fluoborate (talk) 04:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fluoborate has kindly given you a solution. But please note that this question has nothing to do with Wikipedia, except to note that somebody was linking to a Wikipedia article which has since been deleted. What use some other website makes of Wikipedia is not Wikipedia's responsibility ColinFine (talk) 10:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Why doesn't my ref/note work as a clickable link?[edit]

    I just added "Note 1" to this page:

    Asenapine

    Following the "ref"/"note" markup example as closely as I could, and it is only a clickable link in one direction, in both Safari and Chrome. Clicking "Note 1" where it occurs in the body (Adverse Events) does not work, although it appears blue. Clicking the "1" in the notes section at the bottom does indeed work, it provides a backlink to the body.

    What have I done wrong? Very similar markup works on another page I recently annotated.

    Thank you, Fluoborate (talk) 04:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

     Fixed I've sorted it out for you. The easiest way to deal with footnotes is to use the {{efn}} mechanism. You place the whole footnoted (including references) inline:"* Dyspepsia, stomach discomfort, and/or vomiting{{efn|The Phase III trials ... subjects.<ref name=DM />}}" then at the bottom in the "Notes" section add {{notelist}}. The system then does all the hard work of linking for you. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Problem going live[edit]

    Hey guys,

    i created my first page like 5 months ago and it still isn't live! can you guide me so my page can go live? Mistakefinder77 (talk) 08:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Presumably you mean the sandbox material discussed on your own User talk page (here) by DoubleGrazing? If not, what page/Draft do you mean? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.134.31 (talk) 10:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Publishing of new article[edit]

    I Need help in publishing my new article titled Karthikeya. Can anyone help me with the submitting for review Geoviswakarma (talk) 09:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Geoviswakarma Assuming you have an on-WP draft somewhere, put this at the top of it: {{subst:submit}}
    Hope this helps. If you haven't written the article yet, start with WP:YFA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Archiving[edit]

    Hi, the archiving on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Edit requests was originally broken due to an erroneous configuration that caused the bot to start archiving at archive 6. I've reset the counter back to 1 and moved the archive, but now Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Edit requests/Archive 6 is a redirect to the first archive from the page move. Will this cause trouble when the number of archives eventually reaches 6, or will the bot just overwrite the redirect? The redirect isn't actually necessary, since no pages link to the archive; see: Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Edit_requests/Archive_6. Liu1126 (talk) 11:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Liu1126:, I've deleted the redirect. The bot will be able to recreat it when the time comes. Mjroots (talk) 13:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! Liu1126 (talk) 13:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Assistance Needed: Wikipedia Page Update Query[edit]

    Dear Wikipedia Help Desk,

    My name is Nina, and I'm reaching out for guidance regarding updating the Wikipedia page for Envac. I work as a digital marketer at Envac, and I recently attempted to update the page using information from our company website. However, I received an email stating that all my changes were removed due to copyright concerns.

    Could you please advise me on the correct procedure for updating the page? Do I need to provide any documentation as an Envac employee to verify the information? Your assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you for your help.

    Best regards, Nina (NINASALEHI2024) NINASALEHI2024 (talk) 12:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The first problem here is WP:BOSS, as you should not edit an article if you are involved with it in some way. The other problem is that the edits at Envac Automated Waste Collection System were deleted because they appear to have copypasted copyrighted material into the article, which is also one of the things not to do in a Wikipedia article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @NINASALEHI2024: In addition, you must disclose your paid relationship with Envac as described in the aforementioned link. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi, thank you so much for your response, so what should I do now whit this issu?I am an employee of Envac, and what should I do to access the edit? NINASALEHI2024 (talk) 13:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @NINASALEHI2024, you need to declare per the instructions at WP:PAID. Then, if you wish to create an article, you need to submit a draft through Articles for Creation. Instructions are at Help:YFA. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 13:40, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you sincerely for your guidance. Should any questions arise as I proceed, I'll reach out to you. Your ongoing support is greatly appreciated. NINASALEHI2024 (talk) 13:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The other thing to realise, Nina, is that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.
    If the material you added was from the company's website, it is likely that very little of it would be appropriate for a Wikipedia article even without the question of copyright. ColinFine (talk) 15:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @NINASALEHI2024: You may find our FAQ for article subjects useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

     Courtesy link: Envac Automated Waste Collection System (now a rediect)

    @Spiderone[edit]

    Made required changes and submitted the article month ago. Still it showing waiting for review, I need update Bvedavyas2024 (talk) 12:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    As it says at the top of your draft, @Bvedavyas2024, Review waiting, please be patient. Reviewers are volunteers and they have a lot of submissions to work through. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, if you have some kind of personal or professional connection to this person, please read and follow WP:COI. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 13:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Your draft Draft:Buragadda Vedavyas will be declined again as there are whole sections that are completely unreferenced. Everything in the article must be supported by reliable sources. Shantavira|feed me 13:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please guide me where i am stuck in article or if possible live help needed Bvedavyas2024 (talk) 13:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bvedavyas2024, the section Early life and education has no references - where did you get this information? Two of the sections under Political Career have no references, and many parts of the other sections have no references attached. Many of the items in Political Positions Held are missing references. And language such as this is inappropriate for an encyclopedia: Renowned for his transformative leadership in Krishna District, Vedavyas unwavering commitment to his constituents and notable achievements define him as a true statesman and inspirational figure. He is fondly known as Ajathashatru of Andhra Politics.
    Did you take all of the photographs used in the article?
    You're welcome to try WP:IRC or WP:DISCORD if you want to ask for real-time help. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 14:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Dan Schneider, who is Jewish[edit]

    I googled “Sam and Cat” a Nickelodeon kids show, and in the Wikipedia entry on the initial google search it includes the reference to the producer Dan Schneider “who is Jewish”. When I went to the Wikipedia page itself it is not on there. 2600:1700:6222:AF90:1846:9B4C:E595:8DD9 (talk) 14:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Google often mistakenly says (or implies) that things exist on Wikipedia which don't actually appear in the articles. There's nothing to be done about it on this end; you'll need to take it up with Google. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 14:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That can happen if the article is edited after Google takes its snippet. “who is Jewish” was added at 03:47, 21 April 2024 and then reverted at 04:39, 21 April 2024. TSventon (talk) 14:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) It's not Google's fault. It was in the article for 52 minutes Sunday.[3] Googlebot apparently visited the page there and cached the content. It will disappear from Google results next time their bot visits. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I was in a "no recording" session at Wikiconference North America in 2019 where we got to discuss such matters directly with people from Google, and I mentioned this issue, in the context of material that is removed or even revision deleted or supressed, yet is preserved by their scraper bots. They seemed to understand the concern but I didn't get the impression they had an easy answer. I can see how their desire to keep their snippets as up-to-date as possible is somewhat at odds with Wikipedia's desire to keep vandalism from being spread outside of WP. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Google has a system where you can be registered as owner of a website (after providing evidence) and submit a limited number of pages for fast indexing or reindexing. I have not heard of this system being used by Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    because it doesn't really scale well to our operation :) —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 20:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I cannot remove a hidden category[edit]

    Hello! I decided to start de-orphaning some articles, but after I did that process, I cannot find the category of orphaned article to remove when I select edit source. I can see it when normally reading the article, but not when editing. Here is the article: Abdul Aziz bin Laboun PolarClimates (talk) 16:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Sometimes, pages are not placed in categories manually by Wikipedia editors, but by means of templates, which can be used to place identical information (including category membership information) on many different pages at once. When the information on such a template is edited, the pages containing that template are updated, but not necessarily updated immediately. This means that pages might not always appear in the most current categories. Theroadislong (talk) 16:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    PolarClimates in this case you need to remove the orphan template {{Orphan|date=June 2021}}. See Wikipedia:Orphan. TSventon (talk) 18:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikilink to wikipedia search string[edit]

    How do I format a wikilink to a wikipedia search string, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?fulltext=1&search=insource%3A%22dateglows.com%22&title=Special%3ASearch&ns0=1? I can do it as an external url, but am looking for the wikilink-formatted equivalent. (This is for use in user-space.) Schazjmd (talk) 17:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Have a look in Help:Link#Links containing ampersands. ColinFine (talk) 17:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, @ColinFine, but I didn't express my question clearly. I can create a wikilink to Special:Search. What I'm wondering is if there is a way to include a specific search string in a Special:Search wikilink. (The ampersands in the url are just browser artifacts.) Schazjmd (talk) 18:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You can put your search part after a backslash after the name Special:Search.
    In your case the search part is insource:"dateglows.com" so you should use Special:Search/insource:"dateglows.com" EternalNub (talk) 18:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That is what I couldn't figure out, thanks @EternalNub! Schazjmd (talk) 18:48, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The Band Madman Mundt[edit]

    I would like to the band Madman Mundt to Wikipedia. How is this done? Attached is an artical about the band.

    https://www.clevescene.com/music/madman-mundt-1493473

    Thank you. Benedictjohn92 (talk) 17:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Well, I'd start by reading Help:Your first article. Not every band is going to be notable anough to warrant an article, but if you have multiple examples of significant coverage from reliable sources it may be possible. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Benedictjohn92: for our notability (read: "inclusion") criteria for musical acts, see WP:BAND. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Updating Information[edit]

    Hello.

    My name is Hugo Balta.

    I work in the Publlic Information Office of the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Cook County. We would like to update this page: Iris Martinez

    How do I go about doing that?

    Hugo 162.217.186.240 (talk) 18:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    It seems like this page is about a topic you have a conflict in interest in (Your employer) so you will need to disclose it. EternalNub (talk) 19:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You can read the conflict of interest policy here. EternalNub (talk) 19:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They disclosed it right here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) It sounds as if the following all apply to you: WP:BOSS, WP:PAID and WP:COI. Please read through them and make the necessary declarations. If they do apply to you, then you should not edit the page directly, but make a request on the talk page explaining what changes you want and reliable sources that support them. A final point, "Cook County" could be anywhere in the world, on first glance I'd assumed New Zealand or Australia; so please qualify it with (in this case) Illinois, USA. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 19:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please post a request on the talk page of the article. Be sure to cite sources for any change or addition. OurFAQ for article subjects may be of interest. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Balancing completeness with rigor: adding to an author's works based on Google Books text matching[edit]

    I found that a book, missing from the author's bibliography, is a reprint of an old work under a new title. My discovery relied using Google Books's "Search Inside" feature to compare excerpts. However, I haven't yet found sources that said that the new book is the old one.

    Can I still add this info to the author's bibliography, or do I need to wait for a researcher or secondary source to say the same thing first? R333k0o (talk) 19:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You're not supposed to add the info because it counts as original research, since you did the comparing yourself. So you should wait for a researcher or secondary source. See Wikipedia:No original research EternalNub (talk) 20:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for the clarification, @EternalNub. I was doubtful if the Google Books might have been analogous to just counting "1+1=2," but per @188.220.144.58's comment about the need for more extensive comparisons, I see why it's wise to wait. R333k0o (talk) 02:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi @R333k0o,
    I would start a section on the article's talk page, and ask others to search to see if they found any sources without doing original research. If you have waited over 2 days and no one has responded to the talk page, then go to the reference desk, and ask your question there. They are very reliable and usually respond quickly. If you don't want to wait, do both first. The people who respond to the talk page usually know more about the topic (but not always).
    Best,
    Avi
    @Avishai11
    Avishai11 (talk) 20:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, @Avishai11! I'll see how this goes. R333k0o (talk) 02:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Frequently, though not always, a book that has been republished in the same language under a different title has a note on the copyright page (nearly always on the reverse or 'verso' of the title page) stating that it was originally/previously published under a different title.
    If the retitled edition contains such a statement, it should be acceptable as a 'reliable source', just as the book is considered a 'reliable source' for any plot or contents summary of it. In such a case, you could (in my opinion) therefore cite the retitled edition's copyright page as the source for the retitling. Since the 'verso' is often not included in the work's main (Arabic numerals) text pagination and not physically numbered in the 'prelims' (Roman numerals) pagination even if used, you might have to 'calculate' the verso's prelims page number (which ought to be even rather than odd, and is frequently iv, with i–ii being the half-title leaf and iii–iv being the title page and its verso) – I think this would be acceptable analysis rather than synthesis.
    Note however that non-fiction works in particular may be expanded and republished under a new title: in such a case the book is effectively at minimum a 'new ("revised", "expanded", etc.) edition', or for more extensive expansions or reworkings a different work altogether, even if it contains some of the older text. You might need to conduct extensive text comparisons to find out if this is or is not the case. This is most easily done with actual printed copies of the volumes in question. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.2309.195} 188.220.144.58 (talk) 01:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the advice, @188.220.144.58. The copyright page didn't contain the original title, so this may likely be a reworking. I'll follow @Avishai11's suggestion about starting conversations to see if anyone can verify that. R333k0o (talk) 02:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Another thing to note is that Wikipedia does not strive for completeness. If a book has not been the subject of indpendent discussion, does it even belong in the article? ColinFine (talk) 10:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    How to change colors of template/infobox?[edit]

    I've been trying to update the templates/infoboxes related to the Houston Texans to reflect a new color scheme, but I can't find any information related to changing the colors; additionally, some templates have extended protection. ExpergeTech (talk) 20:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @ExpergeTech: I suggest that you ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League, where people with the relevant expertise can be found. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Translation of a sidebar template[edit]

    I've noticed that some articles have a sidebar about a specific topics with links to articles related to it, like this one Pi template. I'd like to have the same sidebar in other languages, and I'd like to know if there's an easy or practical way to do it. I'm not really sure how to use these templates in general. Thanks in advance. HallyTall (talk) 21:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello. There is no general way to transfer content from one Wikipedia to another - it usually has to be done as a copy and paste (with suitable attribution, of course: see copying within Wikipedia).
    This applies just as much to templates as any other kind of page. Furthermore, templates often depend on other templates, and sometimes on Lua modules, so you would need to make sure that the resources that the template depended on were transferred, and translated if necessary. ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    HallyTall, what other languages are you interested in translating it to? Because Template:Pi box uses Template:Sidebar directly, and because {{Sidebar}} has equivalents in 130 languages, it might be possible to design a wrapper template in a foreign language that would interpret the English Pi template with no changes and render the correct output in the foreign Wikipedia, in the same way that the non-English citation templates like {{cite web/French}} and {{cite book/German}} can interpret a French or German citation here at English Wikipedia and display it correctly. Because most of the actual links are names of people, those would likely have the same name in foreign Wikipedias, in most cases, so probably would generate blue links if the article exists already. Alternatively, since there aren't that many Sidebar params involved, it might be easier just to find the corresponding param names, e.g., for Spanish it is at es:Plantilla:Navegación vertical, but it suffers from very poor documentation, so you would have to read the Template code to find out what the analogous parameters are called. The German one at de:Vorlage:Seitenleiste has no documentation at all. Mathglot (talk) 05:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Andrew Bloxam[edit]

    Ref number 5 is all in red, please repair if you can, thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 23:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Can't. Template:Cite journal unsurprisingly requires specification of the title of the journal. This can't be done here, as whatever it is that's linked to, it's clearly neither a journal nor a journal article. Of course, Template:Cite journal can be changed to Template:Cite [something else]; but here, to what? What's linked to looks as if it was compiled by one Richard Middleton, who I suppose was/is a genealogy enthusiast. It's not clear to me that it was sub-edited or by some other criterion is a "reliable source". Further, what's it being cited for? Here's what: In 1866, his daughter Jane Dorothea Bloxam (died 1921) married Sir Henry Hanson Berney, 9th Bart. (died 1907). Sir Henry and Lady Berney's grandson was cricketer Cecil Middleton, son of Henry Middleton who, in April 1900, reportedly witnessed at Filey Brigg the drowning of his first cousin Margaret Middleton. Margaret's sister Gertrude and their cousin Henry Middleton were both students at Oxford University, Bloxham's alma mater. This in an article that purports to be about somebody who died in 1878. Why the stuff about his grandkids? (How does it add to our understanding of Andrew Bloxam?) -- Hoary (talk) 01:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    PS Template:Cite web would work, and if this isn't a reliable source then it is at least an interesting one, reporting on its own refreshingly unconventional and lively Annual General Meetings. But if these factors mitigate, they nevertheless fail to show me how the marriage of the subject's daughter (let alone how such matters as the reported witnessing of such-and-such by the subject's great-grandson) tells us anything about the subject. Would you care to explain, OP? -- Hoary (talk) 05:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    April 24[edit]

    My Wiki page was deleted without reason[edit]

    My Wiki page was on a fictional character. just as real as if someone did a page on a video game character. I sited where I got the information from and gave credit to the creator of the subject. Also the message I got was unclear with what was wrong with my Wiki page. -Bojankles

    P.S. the wiki page was a draft that I tried to publish but it was denyed. If you want to see the draft than please go here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1agnnB7CKfTJbcbMIZuO1joC_c7LtTlpnaPbv19YYxP4/edit

    . BOJANKLES (talk) 00:08, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I looked at your deleted page. It was just some garbage you made up. This is an encyclopedia, not a place to just publish any thought that enters your head. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 00:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well that's dumb BOJANKLES (talk) 05:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There are tons of dumb thinks on Wikipedia BOJANKLES (talk) 05:01, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Mine isn't the only one BOJANKLES (talk) 05:01, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And, I didn't make it up. Someone else made it up. Just like The legend of Zelda, Just like DND, just like pokemon. And there are wiki pages on lots of those. BOJANKLES (talk) 05:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Read Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Absolutely nothing in your draft provides the slightest evidence that it belongs on Wikipedia. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You really are a grump BOJANKLES (talk) 05:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps first read Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors. -- Hoary (talk) 01:58, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for giving a nice reply, I really appreciate this even if it is still not quite what I wanted. BOJANKLES (talk) 05:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    BOJANKLES, you seem to have a misunderstanding about the purpose of Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia consisting of articles about topics that reliable, independent sources have written about. We simply summarize those reliable sources. As for fictional characters, we have an article about Prince Hamlet because reliable sources independent of Shakespeare have been writing about the character for over 400 years. Similarly, Mickey Mouse has been a sensation for 95 years and reliable sources continue to write about him today. We do not host articles about newly created characters that have not yet been discussed extensively by reliable soures. Cullen328 (talk) 08:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Based on the link, Draft:The crazy frog seems to be about Crazy Frog or Axel F#Music video. TSventon (talk) 09:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Image background not being displayed as transparent[edit]

    The background of File:Cambrian Credit Union logo.webp appears to be transparent on the file page, but it is not being displayed as such at Cambrian Credit Union. Does anyone know why that would be? Graham (talk) 03:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Graham11: phab:T283646 says WebP images can lose transparency when they are resized. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    How to correct incorrect birthplace in artcile?[edit]

    Hi,

    In the article regarding me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Speelman my place of birth us incorrect - itt should be London. How do U remedy this please? 87.75.101.89 (talk) 10:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I have removed the unsourced birthplace. TSventon (talk) 10:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Local news[edit]

    Is there any WP guidance/essay/whatever that speaks of "local news" (as in regional newspapers etc) in the context of WP:N, WP:RS, WP:NPOV etc? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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