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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on October 16, 2020. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the first of the Punic Wars* began in 264 BC, and the third and last ended 118 years later?*
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Typo[edit]

Hi,

I think in the introduction in "The First Punic War officially came to an END in 241 BC.", END is missing.

Thanks.

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:30, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the first of the Punic Wars began in 264 BC and the third and last ended in 146 BC, 118 years later? Source: Goldsworthy, Adrian (2006). The Fall of Carthage: The Punic Wars 265–146 BC. London: Phoenix. ISBN 978-0-304-36642-2, p. 12.

Reviewed: Battle of Fakhkh

Improved to Good Article status by Gog the Mild (talk). Self-nominated at 22:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Great hook for an important article. Article is new enough (GA promotion 9/28), long enough, and well written with appropriate citations. No copyvio/paraphrasing violations per earwig. Hook short enough, interesting (I would click on it), accurate, and appropriately sourced. Offline book sourcing accepted in good faith (and also confirmed by Britannica here). QPQ complete. Cbl62 (talk) 03:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Punic = Phoenician[edit]

Punic = Phoenician in Latin 185.76.176.222 (talk) 08:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed it does, or almost, which is why the article includes "The term Punic comes from the Latin word Punicus (or Poenicus), meaning "Carthaginian", and is a reference to the Carthaginians' Phoenician ancestry." Gog the Mild (talk) 12:34, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Amount of detail on the corvus[edit]

See FAC discussion.

I have added detail about the corvus to a couple of the events in which it featured: "The Carthaginians superior seamanship was not as effective as they had hoped, while the Romans' corvus gave them an edge as the battle degenerated into a shapeless brawl ... It is possible that the presence of the corvus, making the Roman ships unusually unseaworthy, contributed to this disaster; there is no record of them being used again." (The later referring to the storm off Camarina.)

Which means the article includes:

"To counter this, the Romans introduced the corvus, a bridge 1.2 metres (4 feet) wide and 11 metres (36 feet) long, with a heavy spike on the underside, which was designed to pierce and anchor into an enemy ship's deck. This allowed Roman legionaries acting as marines to board enemy ships and capture them, rather than employing the previously traditional tactic of ramming ... The Roman adaptation of the corvus was a continuation of this trend and compensated for their initial disadvantage in ship-manoeuvring skills. The added weight in the prow compromised both the ship's manoeuvrability and its seaworthiness, and in rough sea conditions the corvus became useless; part way through the First Punic War the Romans ceased using it ... The Romans built a navy to challenge Carthage's,[81] and using the corvus inflicted a major defeat at the battle of Mylae in 260 BC ... The Carthaginians superior seamanship was not as effective as they had hoped, while the Romans' corvus gave them an edge as the battle degenerated into a shapeless brawl ... It is possible that the presence of the corvus, making the Roman ships unusually unseaworthy, contributed to this disaster; there is no record of them being used again." Plus an image.

This seems balanced and proportional in an article covering all three wars. Actually, I think it may be a little over the top. What do you think? Gog the Mild (talk) 17:50, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect date of signing of peace treaty[edit]

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– Jbellessa87 (talk) 10:14, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The end of the introduction incorrectly states that the official peace treaty was signed April 18th, 2023, which is the day the cited source was retrieved. The correct date, per the source, is February 5th, 1985.

I'm mentioning this here as I do not have permissions to edit the article itself.

For posterity's sake, I'll mention I was brought to the article after seeing https://twitter.com/Trey_Explainer/status/1648177549887799296, which I suspect is what also brought Foxterria (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbellessa87 (talk • contribs) 04:16, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jbellessa87: Good catch; not sure if the main author, Gog the Mild, intends to keep the sentence at all, but I've corrected the date in case he does. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 05:16, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Iazyges: Thank you! Jbellessa87 (talk) 10:05, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aologies, I have not been watchlisting this. It's not in the article, so shouldn't be in the lead. If it were in the article - which I doubt, as it is trivia - it is still not significant enough to warrant a mention in the lead. (Note that it does, just, make the cut in Third Punic War. The article, not the lead.) So I am reverting it and watchlisting for further discussion. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:34, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]