Talk:NBN Television/Archive 1

Discussion Section 1

This page should be deleted as it was created when there where rumours that NBN Television was going to change it's name and branding to become a part of the Nine Network. — 59.167.253.18 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Even though NBN was purchased by PBL, At this point, NBN Television still runs as an independant affiliate of the Nine Network.— 59.167.253.18 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

An example of this independance: during the beaching of the Pasha Bulker NBN and TCN actually had their own, separate reporters broadcasting Live from Nobby's Beach and ran their own seperate news stories on this. NBN still also produces their own programs and it's schedule is different to TCN's during the evenings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.253.18 (talk) — 59.167.253.18 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

This article is for the Newcastle based television station, and has as much significance as ATN-7 or STW-9. This page was created during the period of NBN's ownership change, however that has nothing to do with the article's intention, use, and purpose. Please understand the hierarchy of television (owner > network > station), and in this case (PBL Media > NBN Television > NBN-3). Stickeylabel 07:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

(1) NBN-3 is the OLD Name of NBN Television. The Television Station is now called "NBN Television"... NBN-3 is actually the callsign of ONE of their Newcastle transmiters. If you wish to add transmitter callsigns as separate Wikipedia entries, why not add NBN-28, NBN-69, NBN-66, NBN-10 and all their other transmitters.— 59.167.253.18 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

(2) You can't compare NBN Television to ATN-7 or TCN-9 because the Capital City Television stations use those callsigns to identify the difference between the different "Television Stations" on their particular network. TCN-9 is actually recognised as their Sydney Television Staion and GTV-9 is recognised as their Melbourne Television Station. Infact the TCN-9 logo is still out the front of their Sydney Office which is WHY they have a separate Wikipedia Entry. NBN-3 hasn't been used for YEARS. The front of their Station and their Mt Sugarloaf transmitter are marked "NBN Television"— 59.167.253.18 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

(3) NBN Television is a single Television Station which broadcasts over a large viewing area, it's recognised as a single entity with only 1 Television Station in Newcastle, this station plays out customised feeds to several viewing areas in Northen NSW and Southern QLD (I understand they may have several offices or Bureau's but do they have any other recognised "Television Stations"? - If they do, add them here).— 59.167.253.18 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

So unless NBN Television has any other "Television Stations" the separate NBN-3 entry is just confusing. The term NBN-3 is outdated and was used when the station WAS a single area Television Station. Why have 2 Wikipedia entries for the same thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.253.18 (talk) — 59.167.253.18 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Deletion

In future gain concensus before deleting an article. Stickeylabel 03:55, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge

NBN-3 and NBN Television are one and the same in terms of content and purpose. Having individual station articles for the various capital city stations is logical given that they were once independent and have somewhat different histories, however NBN did not develop this way - it was a local station which expanded (post- and pre-agreggation) into Northern NSW with a single Newcastle-based station.

NBN itself couldn't be considered a network anyway, since it's just a single station (not a group thereof which is the general understanding of a television network) - there are repeaters, yes, and I understand there is (or once was) a Gold Coast news opt-out, but that doesn't make it a network.

It's much harder to distinguish between NBN-3 and NBN Television than it is to between the stations which made up other networks like Prime Television since there wasn't any point at which any number of individual stations grouped together. timgraham 11:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree with timgraham, I grew up in Newcastle and have watched NBN and all the other networks closely and don't believe there should be a separate article for NBN-3, as mentioned above, NBN-3 is the old callsign for NBN and is no longer relevant. Whilst Stickeylabel has made a great contribution to Wikipedia, I don't believe he is correct in this case.

Since it's been a week and there's been no objection, I'm going to go ahead and merge the two. timgraham 10:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

In respect to 'NBN-3 is the old callsign for NBN', that's a fact! You can document that in this article. Auroranorth 13:43, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with TimG, NBN Television is a station and this article is redundant. I propose this article be redirected to NBN Television. Stickeylabel 13:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

This article is NOT called NBN-3, but NBN (TV station). Your argument is invalid. Auroranorth 04:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

And, no consensus has been reached, I am reverting your move. Please do not use misleading statements. Auroranorth 04:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Merger

Also, when holding a merge discussion, please do not allow very, very new users to engage in discussion, for fear of meatpuppetry. Auroranorth 13:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

It's been difficult to gain consensus on it because it's been in place for weeks and nobody has objected or commented. I looked at WP:MERGE and it indicated that if you though there would be any objection then you should leave things open for a period of time (I seemed to get the impression of it being a week). I did that and someone (anonymous but certainly not myself) agreed - there wasn't a whisper from anyone else. My understanding was that it was correct procedure?

Anyway, for all intents and purposes, NBN-3/NBN (TV station) - they mean the same thing (just like HSV (TV station) and HSV-7 - so in my view they're interchangeable. (NBN-3 was moved here some time ago.) It's very difficult to seperate NBN Television and this since they are effectivley the same - I can't think of a single point of difference other than local commercials, and news opt-outs. At present there isn't any mention of them here, or any of the others, so surely they could just remain in NBN Television#News?

I wasn't attempting anything sinister in this, only trying to reduce the confusion that having two articles on the same thing would cause.. timgraham 05:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with TimG, and concensus was reached. Several Wikipedians, including me, agreed that having two articles on the same thing would cause confusion, and are unneeded. I propose a speedy deletion of this article, and that the page be redirected to NBN Television. Stickeylabel 05:28, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Meatpuppery? What tosh. Auroranorth, unless you have a valid argument to make against the merger, you've got no business undoing it. Please be more constructive.--cj | talk 04:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Mashynewie participated in this debate has not had much participation elsewhere. Once again, this article is NOT called NBN-3 (that is not the topic of this debate). However, I shall let this topic go until meatpuppetry is confirmed. Auroranorth 08:53, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, only two Wikipedians agreed, and the whole discussion was plagued by meatpuppets (i.e. Mashynewie, in my opinion). These were Stickylabel and Timg231 on this page. Auroranorth 08:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not finding a lot of coherency in your comments. Who are you alleging of meatpuppetry? I see absolutely no evidence of it.--cj | talk 12:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Aside from your obvious objection to puppets and such, can you see any obvious reason that the two articles should remain the same? The meaning and context of NBN-3, NBN (TV station) and NBN Television are pretty much one and the same. I'm not going to regurgitate the argument that I've already had to put forward twice.. timgraham 13:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Ohh... I've had to regurgitate my argument that this page is not titled NBN-3 and as such this debate should not be on that subject. I have no problem with a NBN-3 and NBN (TV station) merger. I was concerned about NBN (TV station) - the actual television station - and NBN Television - i.e. the company getting a little confused. Regarding meatpuppetry, User:Mashynewie seems to have been created for the sole purpose of writing about Australian television and arguing here under their IP address (hence why Special:Contributions/Mashynewie has no record of this page). Check 'history' for more. Auroranorth 14:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Oops, by 'company' I mean the corporate side.

Resolved

 – Auroranorth 14:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't think this is resolved at all and they've been swept aside amidst bickering about whether two people are the same. It seems to me as though three people (or possible more) have put forward perfectly rational and constructive arguments for this article to be merged with NBN Television. NBN-3 is a redirect to NBN Television anyway..

So: NBN (TV station)/NBN-3 (the same thing - they were shifted because of a new callsign convention) are effectively the same as NBN Television because they show the same content and aren't really a network in the first place. At present there's nothing special about NBN (TV station)/NBN-3 because they don't show anything different and they're based at the same place all the other opt-outs/translators/alternate frequencies.

In short, there's nothing to write about - you don't seem to understand how NBN is different from most other networks (since NBN somewhat deceptively terms itself a networks when it's really a single station). timgraham 15:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

No, I am afraid my previous resolution still stands, I don't have another objection to the merger. If you need some help in the future, feel free to give me a buzz. Auroranorth 15:12, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Not wanting to be rude or anything, but what was actually resolved? Was a consensus was reached that the NBN (TV station) and NBN Television should be merged? Or are you implying something else - if so it's a bit ambiguous. timgraham 15:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Timg, sorry for not clarifying that enough. What I meant was that I accept that the two can be merged, and that the consensus has now been reached. Everything is fine as it is right now. Auroranorth 08:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Lovely, thanks! timgraham 09:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Excellent! If you need further help in anything at all, feel free to either email me or talk to me through my talk page. Thanks, Auroranorth 13:29, 27 August 2007 (UTC)