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Dis Pater/Dyaus Pitar[edit]

Has anyone else noticed the similarity between the names Dis Pater and Dyaus Pitar, the prehistoric Vedic God? Should something about Dyaus Pitar be included?--AaronCarson (talk) 10:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great note! Finaly people starting to speak about such similarities. --87.161.74.94 (talk) 17:29, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the connection is more direct with Jupiter or Zeus and Dyaus. See Dyēus. SilverLocust 💬 06:37, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is Dis Pater or Dies Pater the cognate of Dyaus Pitar?[edit]

I was under the impression that Dies Pater which was another name of Jupiter was the cognate of Dyaus Pitar. Dies Pater literally means "day father" and seems a lot closer to the etymology of Dyaus Pita. I believe the whole section regarding the relationship between Dis Pater and Dyaus Pitar should be removed. Aniart (talk) 15:34, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology[edit]

Dis: Roman underworld god, from L. Dis, contracted from dives "rich," which is related to divus "divine, god," hence "favored by god." Cf. Pluto (from: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=Dis&searchmode=none) Böri (talk) 10:05, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

tagging[edit]

I added the factual accuracy tag as a temporary caveat emptor. There is almost no sentence in the article that doesn't contain something misleading, mis- or naively conceived, unsourced, or flat-out erroneous. One point: several Celtic gods have been proposed as the one Caesar had in mind for Dis pater, including Cernunnos, but also Sucellos (also a pretty good match), Teutates and who knows. It's also amusing when modern scholars think Caesar and Cicero (Pontifex Maximus and augur, respectively) were "confused" about their own religion. Don't mean to tag and run, but I'm on a wiki-break now and will try to help here someday with some of the perspective acquired from revising Pluto (mythology). Cynwolfe (talk) 17:43, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What?[edit]

"It is often thought that Dīs Pater was also a Celtic god. This confusion arises from the second-hand citation of one of Julius Caesar's" Who thinks that its a confusion, source please? There is no confusion or misunderstanding! --87.161.74.94 (talk) 17:32, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, this is a very badly worded paragraph, with what reads as very much the editor's slant on things. Any suggestions would be welcome. ‑‑Yodin^T 23:09, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Several years later, I have taken it upon myself to invest the five minutes required for fixing this. --dab (𒁳) 07:58, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 July 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium (talk) 18:11, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dīs Pater → Dis Pater ~~Dis pater~~ – per COMMONNAME. None of the sources cited use this diacritic form Dīs ~~pater~~Pater, and our articles on Roman subjects with Latin names don't use diacritics in titles or article bodies (see for example the 158 names in Category:Roman goddesses). Diacritics were inserted in the article body at four points without discussion,[1] then also without discussion the article moved [2] on the assumption that this was the proper spelling and 15 other instances of Dis changed to Dīs for "consistent spelling throughout".[3] NebY (talk) 16:58, 30 July 2023 (UTC) Corrected ~~pater~~ to Pater, as below. NebY (talk) 17:48, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@NebY Most English language sources that I've come across capitalise the full name, so Dis Pater, not Dis pater. --Yodin^T 17:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! You're quite right, Yodin. My apologies, I focused too hard on the diacritic. I would withdraw and replace this, but it seems I can't now that discussion has begun. NebY (talk) 17:34, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries :) not sure of the process, but you can probably just change the name in your original post, as whoever closes the move request will take this into account anyway. --Yodin^T 17:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support removing diatritics, and renaming to Dis Pater per NebY. --Yodin^T 17:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dis Pater (not Dis pater, a foolish typo while concentrating on the diacritic), otherwise as I proposed above. NebY (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Seems to be standard to use traditional English letters for Roman names and the like.★Trekker (talk) 18:04, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Macrons are only used to indicate pronunciation in Latin dictionaries and grammars, not in normal written Latin. They should never appear in Roman/Latin article titles. P Aculeius (talk) 20:42, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support as how general reference works refer to the figure, can't see any compelling reason to keep as is. – Michael Aurel (talk) 03:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The macron is not commonly used. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:11, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I support Dis Pater per what NebY stated above with the capital P. FULBERT (talk) 14:04, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Appearance in Colosseum Fights[edit]

The History Channel notes that someone dressed as Dis Pater would enter the Colosseum to ensure that gladiators were in fact dead by smashing their heads in with a giant hammer.

The only source I can find online is this, which seems less than reliable. Anyone know anything else? Wallybenjamin420 (talk) 17:02, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]