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I have never seen historical map with so many mistakes. Great mistakes in map are:

Kingdom of Avars has been ulmost destroyed by Charlemagne in 800. Job has been finished by Krum of Bulgaria in 805. Simple speaking Kingdom of Avars is not existing in 814.
Croatian borders are false. Croatia has been until today Belgrade only in 1881-1918 !

I am sure that users which know history of other regions will find similar mistakes (about little mistakes there is no point to write) --Rjecina 19:55, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You do realise that this map was deleted, don't you? --Prevalis (talk) 22:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have - see the one on Aradic's talk page.

Don't you mean 1941-1944? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 22:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is funny how map is deleted on wikipedia but it is still used in many wikipedia articles because it is on commons. Look articles:Oeselians, History of Estonia, Early Middle Ages ,....

When in article user go to the map page he is coming to this . Because he will not see nothing writen on talk page he will thing that everything is OK. Please try this on 1 of pages of which I have given links. Because of that for me it is not possible to say that map is deleted.--Rjecina 22:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The map is still used to detail historic South Slavic peoples in the Balkans: "Servia" and "Macedonia" along with most of Greece shaded in the same color with Serbia. There wasn't a Montenegro nation until 1390(?), Macedonia was a Greek province although the northern half is now the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and the Pelopnessus south of Athens is ethnically Greek not Serbian, unless a migration of Slavs occurred there in the 8th to 10th century AD. + 71.102.2.206 (talk) 13:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, the Greek part is not inaccurate for the brief period of time it covers (early 800s AD). "Occasional Slav tribes, continuing their southward movement, penetrated into Thessaly, while others even reached the Peleponnesus and actually took over and settled a considerable area of this venerable soil." -Ferdinand Schevill, A History of the Balkans; The map does not indicate a lasting presence, nor political organization.Ignatiusboethius (talk) 14:21, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is clear that the map from the public schools atlas from 1905 is not reliable nowadays. It relies only on the knowledge which was available 120 years ago. I agree with Prevalis, that the Avar Khaganate is completely wrong. In this time the Slavs from Slovakia already driven out Avars to the second bank of the Danube. However, the map not only shows "optimistic" borders in the north, but also in places where Avar cemeteries cannot be not found even for the best times of khaganate. Ditinili (talk) 20:41, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]