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Original discussion of this chart

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This chart is completely fraudulent and should be removed from WIKI altogether.

The numbers in are easily disproven by checking on the source data.

For example,the Bray & Von Storch survey (2008) was sent out to 3 lists of scientists, group A was chosen from authors in climate journals over the last 10 years (we know this sample is biassed because of climategate). Group B were all from Oreskes list. Group C were members of major climate research institutes taken from WWW (that is; climategate contributors again, and government employees) Altogether 2,681 scientists. Of these, 373 responded by filling in the survey. Of the 373, 92.2% were either climate modellers, impacts scientists or involved in policy making. Again, of the 373, 40% described themseves as being "Environmental Activists".

In anwer to question 21, "How convinced are you that most of recent of near future climate change is, or will be a result of anthropogenic causes"? Unsurprisingly, given the biassed group, and their lack of expertise in empirical science, and the dubious question which did not even mention greeenhouse gasses; 13.8% answered 'not much' and 86.2% answered 'a lot'.

Question 40 asked "The IPCC reports accurately reflect the consensus of scientific thought pertaing to temperature". Note the leading and biassed question. The answers were 27% disagree and 73% agree.

The claim in the chart is that 94% agree; this is false. Even the 73% is not representative of the true state of any consensus or non-consensus, as I have shown.

Original comment by — Preceding unsigned comment added by Besetho2 (talk • contribs) ; Relocated to this talk page from the image page by NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:31, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

The vertical axis of the image is unlabelled. It is not immediately clear what the percentage values refer to (i.e. certainty that climate change is anthropogenic, percentage of climate researchers who have a moustache,...)

124.171.64.185 (talk) 02:09, 2 July 2013 (UTC)