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Mis-corrected blank sort key: how much of a problem is this?[edit]
I'm not that much of a CAT-gnome, and I recently ran into a problem with a blank sort key that had been properly used in an article, until a well-meaning editor incorrectly "fixed" it by removing the blank, who I guess figured that a blank param is meaningless, so why not get rid of it. I undid their change, but I can understand why an editor might do that. I wonder how frequent a problem this is, because I've got an easy fix. The solution would be simply to create a template, maybe to be called {{Cat sort top}}, that resolves to a space. Nobody is going to remove a template call embedded in a Category item who doesn't understand precisely what it's doing there, so that will stop it from happening. But is it a problem that's frequent enough or annoying enough to bother with? Even if infrequent, it could be the kind of thing that would slip by without anyone noticing for quite a while. Mathglot (talk) 03:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- A template would work as a prevention mechanism. Unfortunately, nobody is going to use it because it's so long to type. I think it's better to use incorrect removals of space as sort keys to inform new editors about the guidelines at WP:SORTKEY. —andrybak (talk) 14:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Sentence structure help needed[edit]
Apologies if this is in the wrong place.
I'm really struggling with this sentence: "The central goal of the category system is to provide navigational links to pages in Wikipedia, in a hierarchy of categories which readers, knowing essential—defining—characteristics of a topic, can browse and quickly find sets of pages on topics that are defined by those characteristics."
I started to make minor edits, but realized I wasn't even sure what it was trying to convey. "Which" should probably be "that", the punctuation is random, there's no agreement between subject/verb/object, and it's run-on. I've taken my best stab and edited it to read: "The central goal of the category system is to provide navigational links to pages in Wikipedia within a hierarchy of categories. Using essential, defining characteristics of a topic, readers can browse and quickly find sets of pages on topics that are defined by those characteristics." Ghost writer's cat (talk) 22:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Categorization is something I have used many times, and that I sometimes fix. However, I am not a super expert about it. Still, I would say that you nailed it with your edit. Well done, -- Kjkolb (talk) 08:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Sort order not merging all diacritics[edit]
Wikipedia:Categorization#Sort keys says "In English Wikipedia, sort order merges (ignores) case and diacritics." I dearly wish this was true, but it appears it is untrue for macrons (a diacritic), and always has been. Am I missing something or is the statement inaccurate? Nurg (talk) 04:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nurg, so you have an example? —andrybak (talk) 09:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for asking. I can't find an example now and it appears that the statement is true after all. I am not sure when I did last see an example. Perhaps sorting of diacritics was fixed years ago and I was confusing English Wikipedia with Commons, where diacritics are not merged. Nurg (talk) 10:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Archaeological organizations[edit]
Hello all, I'm going to be subdividing Category:Archaeological organizations down by country, i.e. Category:Archaeological organizations based in (country), similar to how Category:History organizations by country functions (as some have a wider scope than the nation they're based in).
There is currently only one subcat serving this purpose, the relatively new Category:British archaeological organisations, which does not seem to conform to category naming standards. Can this be safely moved to Category:Archaeological organizations based in the United Kingdom? – TCMemoire 14:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TCMemoire, you can nominate the category for speedy renaming according to criteria WP:C2C. —andrybak (talk) 09:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Tracing how an article shows up in a PetScan result[edit]
Is there a tool that can automatically trace how the likes of Elena Kagan Supreme Court nomination, Brehon, The Political Machine, etc., are in subcats of Category:Deaths by year without manually browsing through hundreds of parent cats? This would be helpful for spotting potential maintenance issues. Star Garnet (talk) 18:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Star Garnet, for article Brehon, the answer is easy – it's part of the hidden category Year of death unknown, which is directly under Category:Deaths by year. —andrybak (talk) 01:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- For article The Political Machine:
- —andrybak (talk) 02:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- And similar route for Elena Kagan Supreme Court nomination:
- —andrybak (talk) 02:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Star Garnet, as for related
potential maintenance issues
– parts of the category chains above show up at User:SDZeroBot/Category cycles/4 and User:SDZeroBot/Category cycles/5 (search for 2004 United States presidential election). —andrybak (talk) 02:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Categorizing Colleges that are Closing this Summer[edit]
Our friends over at WikiProject Higher Education are having a conversation about when to add disestablishment categories to colleges that are closing this summer. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome right here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Solution is simple: per WP:CRYSTALBALL and WP:WIP – don't rush and add the corresponding category after the disestablishment has happened. —andrybak (talk) 06:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)